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Title: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 19 June 2010, 14:27:27
Which is the best?



I think my list will be

1 PC
2 Linux
3 Mac

simply because PCs support more hardware and can play all the major games out there, fits me perfectly. Linux? Free, and price matters! why i put mac at bottom? supports ZERO programs (almost) and even WMW is prooven superior to Imovie somehow...I have tried macs, i think the latest version but im not sure, and it was annoyingly difficult to make it to whaty i want. All it could do was basic search adn open files, i could not check what my system specs were, atleast it was hella difficult to find out. And the "huge" list of games, well, games for PC that were out like  2-5 years earlier. I think macs are made for old people that do not know how to operate a computer properly and can pay twice the price of a PC. I am talking Win7. In my case, my computer is mroe powerfull than any mac out there. makes computer WAY better, a high end PC is at the price of a mid-end Mac, and i get better performance, 7 FOR THE WIN!!
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: hairy cat on 19 June 2010, 14:36:16
i like the macs a bit better than pc's.
You don't have to install a new antivirus every week... And you also have the option to have both apple and windows on a mac. Who wants more than that?
As for linux, i never really liked it...
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 19 June 2010, 17:06:39
I run windows without any AV, now i got avast for free and stuff...I run windows XP, Windows vista, Windows 7, Kubuntu, ubuntu without any problems. The thing is that my hardware isn`t apple, made, and Mac only supoport nVidia and Intel hardware, a big killer...
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: -Archmage- on 19 June 2010, 18:15:00
PC = Personal Computer
PC does NOT mean Windows.

I hate Mac, love Windows and Linux. :thumbup: 8)  Sometimes I have problems with Linux, sometime with Windows, but I always manage to get by the problems without much hassle. Though with Mac.......*puke*, the UI is so crappy and hard to deal with, and it's very confusingly and illogically structured. :P
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 19 June 2010, 18:20:35
Well, linux and windows is like a tie...but really linux is better...
mac...is really nothing, but I do like the...well some of the stuff.
and yes, PC does not mean Windows...  ::)
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 19 June 2010, 18:39:55
PC = personal computer but reffers to a windows based computer, just like MAC doesn`t mean OSX, MAC = OSC based computer

and linux is just a OS...

too bad all the win emus doesn`t work very well..

donno bout the "speedy rendering" on macs though...it seems heavilly overated since windows based comps doesn`t need Intel and nVidia components to work, i can get my performance through the roof, unliek with macs.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 19 June 2010, 18:42:11
That's being generalistic though...right?  :|
Anyways, linux and windows FTW!...
Mac...I got nothing to say. Although we need support for it for MG and GAE, but that's all...
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 19 June 2010, 18:45:16
mhm i forgot to mention FreeBSD, best server OS if you ask me.. ::)
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 19 June 2010, 18:48:13
Well, if we are being generalistic, that is falling to the "linux" category right?  :|
Oh, yeah, it is awesome.  :thumbup: I think there are others that are better though, forgot...  :|
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 19 June 2010, 18:54:25
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Well, if we are being generalistic, that is falling to the "linux" category right?  No Opinion

Rù crazy!!?!?!? theyr two different OSes!!!
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 19 June 2010, 18:56:52
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Well, if we are being generalistic, that is falling to the "linux" category right?  No Opinion

Rù crazy!!?!?!? theyr two different OSes!!!
Well, you were being generalistic... ok...unix, linux...so yeah...
Hmm... unix.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 19 June 2010, 18:58:36
didya know mac is also Unix based? i don`t think we can categorize anything else than the OSes, and not what they are built on..
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 19 June 2010, 19:00:43
didya know mac is also Unix based?
true, but... who cares about macs...  :|
... hmm...
For people who got Windows 7, do you like it? Best things about it?
I like XP and 7 the most...
and...Ubuntu is the best, right? I tried it once and it was awesome...
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 19 June 2010, 19:02:45
win7? confusing at first, coz never tried it, good features overall, and best? faster than vista! I still use vista though...im familiar wiht it..and on my machine it runs smooth belive it or not, 5.9 score..
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: John.d.h on 19 June 2010, 19:07:55
I only used Windows 7 on my netbook long enough to make a bootable USB to install Ubuntu, and I haven't looked back since. ;)
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 19 June 2010, 19:08:50
I only used Windows 7 on my netbook long enough to make a bootable USB to install Ubuntu, and I haven't looked back since. ;)
Awesome,  :O Kinda funny...

win7? confusing at first, coz never tried it, good features overall, and best? faster than vista! I still use vista though...im familiar wiht it..and on my machine it runs smooth belive it or not, 5.9 score..
Well, good thing you got good specs.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 19 June 2010, 19:10:33
I only used Windows 7 on my netbook long enough to make a bootable USB to install Ubuntu, and I haven't looked back since. ;)

yeah but comon....it is not like every OS is ment for laptops or/and netbooks, Funny is, Linux is often considered a server OS and thats like the opposite of your machine.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 19 June 2010, 19:11:47
I only used Windows 7 on my netbook long enough to make a bootable USB to install Ubuntu, and I haven't looked back since. ;)
Funny is, Linux is often considered a server OS and thats like the opposite of your machine.
True, but it is also a good... OS for desktops, netbooks, and laptops... but true, true.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: John.d.h on 19 June 2010, 19:20:46
yeah but comon....it is not like every OS is ment for laptops or/and netbooks
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Linux is the only one that is.  Well, certain flavors of it anyway.  I've actually found regular Ubuntu to be much better on my netbook than Ubuntu Netbook Remix, because the weird menu thingy adds all kinds of resource-hogging graphical stuff.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 20 June 2010, 12:50:13
yeah but comon....it is not like every OS is ment for laptops or/and netbooks
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Linux is the only one that is.  Well, certain flavors of it anyway.  I've actually found regular Ubuntu to be much better on my netbook than Ubuntu Netbook Remix, because the weird menu thingy adds all kinds of resource-hogging graphical stuff.

lolz, there should be the opposite then, anyone knows the best Linux OS for desktops high end? I`ve wondered about trying arch idk though...
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ChupaReaper on 21 June 2010, 00:05:54
I'm loving windows 7, vista had its issues for me which all seem to be resolved in 7, well it's still no where near perfect but I like to have the latest stuff living life on the edge! Linux is good but I know with windows 7 I've got the latest stuff as dodgy as the latest stuff can be surely Microsoft has put a lot into windows over the years, hence it being the most popular and thus the most targeted by viruses/hackers, etc. If you look at OSs like bodies though, the more viruses thrown at them that they eventually recover from the more resistant to viruses they become in the future, win7 is so virus prone because there's so many out there after it, who the hell would waste time making a mac virus?! If there was a sudden rise in viruses for mac then I think it may have a lot more issues once exploited becoming very dangerous. Most of the win7 viruses out there are crap anyway, it's generally a case of task manager, find the process, open file location, end process delete, sometimes they block task manager and regedit so just use safe mode, most virus come from 'free anti virus software' or 'free registry cleaners' another crap like that which basic users tend to fall for (most basic users are windows users).
I've tried mac and I've tried to kill myself after! I hate how incompatible it is with everything else, it's got to be apple or it wont work, but now mac machines can support windows but why the hell would you pay so much for a mac where you can buy pc/notebook at half the price with equal hardware and as an extra bonus the mac OS is already deleted for you! There are ways to get mac running in windows too for those deranged people out there :P.
<end-mac-hate/>
Windows 7 all the way and any vista users should definitly upgrade making sure they can get all the drivers first (mainly if moving from 32bit to 64bit). Also there's XP mode which you can buy Ultimate for or there is a work around to get it running on home premium.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 21 June 2010, 13:02:58
For me, vista have no virus or bluescreen....obivously...all mac fans reffers to the early test version of "snowball"...I`ve got a virus on vista once...and then i was certain i downloaded software packed with it, i just wanted to test my new AV
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: wyvern on 21 June 2010, 16:21:24
I use windows vista on this lap top and I have windows xp on my desktop, both are fine for me, on the other hand I hope to get a lap top with linux, mac sucks as an OS :P :P :P
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Omega on 21 June 2010, 16:46:10
Windows 7 works great. 2 months of it on my new computer, no troubles, crashes, lags, or anything. Linux would take second, will install Kubuntu once I get the courage. Mac...? *fail* :bomb:
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 22 June 2010, 00:28:36
I like Windows 7. if I can't then XP...then if not, ubuntu.  :-*  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ElimiNator on 22 June 2010, 00:31:28
I like linux best because its free and has lots of fetures. next is windows XP then windows 7.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 22 June 2010, 00:33:57
I like linux best because its free and has lots of fetures. next is windows XP then windows 7.
lol, opposite of my list. But, I understand why.
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 22 June 2010, 15:57:39
why XP better than 7?

BTW crashes and bluescreens are the past...windows was the first OS out there, no weird they had problems, then people followed and learned from windows and microsoft, now win doesn`t have bluescreens....or crashes...nor lags...I don`t see why people hate win and micro so much...they are great though they cost money...
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ElimiNator on 22 June 2010, 16:00:20
I HATED Vista! 7 ok? but XP is good.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 22 June 2010, 17:00:08
XP was great and is great, if I can't use 7, I would use it...or ubuntu.
Vista, is OK now, but before, like when it was first released, and for a long time, it had many problems...
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Yggdrasil on 22 June 2010, 18:57:13
windows was the first OS out there
LOL! M$ fanbois at best^^

Sorry, i couldn't resist...

I use mainly Linux because it suits me best. I really like the package management. Makes developer's life easier.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 22 June 2010, 22:36:32
windows was the first OS out there
LOL! M$ fanbois at best^^

Sorry, i couldn't resist...

I use mainly Linux because it suits me best. I really like the package management. Makes developer's life easier.

I can`t resist...Linux fanboy...lol wanyways...I use Linux too, but i want a windows 95 too...I remmebr I got a harddrive with it...somewere..
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 22 June 2010, 23:22:03
Look here, this is just awesome work of visual effects...though...i know, this shows that macs wins, but watch in the end...all PCs are going to get the mac...muahahha...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLbJ8YPHwXM
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Omega on 22 June 2010, 23:29:28
I like Windows 7. if I can't then XP...then if not, ubuntu.  :-*  :thumbup:
I don't really like XP. The school computers all have XP and they suck bad. of course, that could be because they are school computers?
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 22 June 2010, 23:35:05
I like Windows 7. if I can't then XP...then if not, ubuntu.  :-*  :thumbup:
I don't really like XP. The school computers all have XP and they suck bad. of course, that could be because they are school computers?
Well, even if it is XP, I check the specs... (So if I was in your school, and it is OK to check it, I would...)
Specs mean a lot...then if it is just XP, I dazzle it a bit. I don't really like the original themes, I like the "glossy" ones....the (blue one, the orange/black Halloween type one, etc.)
I think Windows 7 is great though.
But, I would rather have a XP then a Vista. For more then one reason...
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: John.d.h on 23 June 2010, 00:12:23
I remember trying to use the library laptops with XP on them maybe about a year ago.  They were completely unusable, partly due to bloatware and partly due to crashing at least every 10 minutes (not an exaggeration).
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 23 June 2010, 00:32:10
Bloatware, well, that applies to...a lot of computers, depends on the company... Anyways, well, now it's different...I guess.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 23 June 2010, 11:07:17
I like vista better than XP, probably because when using XP, searching for files take looong time, and on vista, i just write in, auto search, done. Or just type in, enter, done. And i don`t really think the UI of XP is that great...[Keep in mind that I can Barely see the speed changes on both OSes, for me they don`t matter]
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ElimiNator on 23 June 2010, 16:20:27
The world knows that vista is junk...

Quote from: So microsoft admits that vista is junk
Every single person that I have spoken to in the flesh admits that vista is junk. They say that it is slow and uses too many resources. They say that it is confusing and annoying with all the popups that the uac displays, reminiscent of microsoft bob. Not all of these are techheads like me. These are normal users. The target market of microsoft. Even die hard windows fanatics I know of hate vista.

Yet even in the face of all of these complaints microsoft still campaigned vista as being the next best thing since sliced bread. Until now. Now microsoft is trumpeting their horn about how windows 7 will fix up all the things that is wrong with vista.

They are saying that windows 7 will be faster, it will be less obnoxious with the security and it will use less resources. This sort of puts the foot in the mouth of all those who defended vista and actually paid for it.

Speaking of payment I will bet buttons to a dollar that windows 7 will not be free. To all intents and purposes windows 7 is just a rehash of vista as far as I am concerned. Even though microsoft is only fixing up the major problems with the vista framework, they will still market it as a new operating system and not the bug fix I think it is.

What really tickles my tonsils is that after months of denying their faults, they virtually admit to them, as long as you can read between the lines. By saying how their newest is going to be better than the current one they are stating the faults with their current operating system.

Microsoft has already gained a lot of ridicule and a big loss of status with vista with many people comparing it to windows me. I personally think that each version of windows they put out has become more problematic than the previous one. Linux on the other hand just continues to improve.

I think that microsoft should take a leaf off of Apples tree and leverage open source to redesign their operating system from scratch. While they still stick to operating system design mentality from the DOS days they will hold themselves back and forever limit themselves. Have you had a look at some of the dates in many dll's in vista? For a system that is supposed to be redesigned from scratch, the dll's it uses are way too old.

While I am happy for the confirmation of the quality of vista right from the horses mouth itself I am sorry to be witnessing the death struggles of the most successful software company I know. Still, that is the way the cookie crumbles.

"I get paid to support Windows, I use Linux to get work done."
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 23 June 2010, 18:38:55
I like vista better than XP, probably because when using XP, searching for files take looong time, and on vista, i just write in, auto search, done. Or just type in, enter, done. And i don`t really think the UI of XP is that great...[Keep in mind that I can Barely see the speed changes on both OSes, for me they don`t matter]
That depends on the specs, usually...
UI? Yeah, but some people also thought Vista was too glossy...I was fine with that, but 7 is great now.
That's why I usually (and do) change the themes to better ones...for XP.

Eliminator:
Well...  :|
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"I get paid to support Windows, I use Linux to get work done."
Yeah, it's like that.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 26 June 2010, 15:46:13
Maybe wındows vısta sucks on ure hardware. ı stıll prefer ıt over xp. ı am not totally famılıar wıth 7 yetö can say ıt got goodö
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 26 June 2010, 15:54:36
Yeah, so it depends on your specs...the average person does not have great specs...at least from XP, since when XP came out it did not need "so much" (not anymore but before) specs...
Oh well, if you are happy with it, then it is fine...
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 26 June 2010, 18:52:43
Yes sure ım happy wıth ıt, works for me, faster search than XP...more fıle support...
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ChupaReaper on 30 June 2010, 22:32:25
I had an oldish computer which never worked properly with xp installed so I put vista on it and it ran much faster and bug free! Had around 1gb ram, 40gb hard drive and a 128mb gfx card.
I had no problems when I moved from xp to vista with my old computer, no problems at all and when it comes to viruses, to get most of them you'd have to be a basic user. I remember when XP first came out, everyone including myself slated it saying ME/98 is better, eventually I installed it alongside ME and I had no problems removing ME after a week. I installed vista straight away having no problems at all, most of the bugs that it had was because it was very different to XP but I never encountered any of these problems, windows 7 is better still and now I hate the university computers as some of them have windows xp and it's just miserable using them with the tatty greyness and I've become dependant on the new snap feature lol.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Omega on 1 July 2010, 22:18:41
That's true. My school has XP, and I loath it with passion. My laptop running Windows 7 can restart and completely log back in before the school computers can even log in... Not to mention it... looks cool. :P :P :P
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 1 July 2010, 22:31:27
I know, but it really depends on the specs...  :|
Of course, if that certain computer can do what I need it to do, then I am fine with it...  :|
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: John.d.h on 2 July 2010, 00:28:39
I had to use Windows 7 yesterday for my online class.  I felt like it made every single thing I tried to do artificially hard on purpose.  I challenge every Windows user to try using nothing but Ubuntu for a week, mess with a little, customize it, do all the things you normally do on Windows, and see if it doesn't make your computing experience a heck of a lot easier.  If you still prefer Windows, no problem.  Just give it a try.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 2 July 2010, 00:33:53
I'd prefer it cause I spent money on...a computer with windows...etc. (probably the only reason, besides that I don't really want to use Wine...if I needed to.) If not, I can live with that, one thing I know...megaglest has less issues on ubuntu...  :thumbup: or so...Oh, IRC Clients, another good thing...with linux, but then... no reason to stay too much or go...  :|
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: John.d.h on 2 July 2010, 00:49:57
Hmm... I've never used IRC, so I can't really say one way or the other about that.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 2 July 2010, 01:27:20
Same...only for Glest I use...usually. Cause for Windows the creators of some IRC Clients say it takes time to compile it for Windows... so you have to pay...etc.   :thumbdown: (main thing if you come to IRC for Glest is to play a multiplayer game...usually.in the future, at least.)
But there is a way to get an unofficial version cause when they created the client, they did not state it in the proper License...  :thumbup:
Anyways...I might try that challenge someday.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 2 July 2010, 09:33:17
John, I have Ubuntu and i use it at times, I still prefer vista, probably because there i know were verything is, but Ubuntu is still good, and maybe better, but im not yet very used to it. Still, everytime a new OS Windows is out, all the old users complain, because they need to familiarise, look how none of the new computer users complain...
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: John.d.h on 2 July 2010, 19:39:34
John, I have Ubuntu and i use it at times, I still prefer vista, probably because there i know were verything is, but Ubuntu is still good, and maybe better, but im not yet very used to it.
Yeah, that's how I was at first.  It just took a little getting used to, and after that it was great.  You've tried it, and that's good, but there are a lot of people who are just too stubborn to try something new or think they won't be able to figure it out.
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Still, everytime a new OS Windows is out, all the old users complain, because they need to familiarise, look how none of the new computer users complain...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks) ;D
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 3 July 2010, 10:11:48
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks  Grin

lmao  :D :D
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Omega on 5 July 2010, 00:22:08
Who needs IRC Clients? That's what cross-platform in-browser 'clients' are for!

http://webchat.freenode.net/
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 5 July 2010, 06:59:01
Who needs IRC Clients? That's what cross-platform in-browser 'clients' are for!
http://webchat.freenode.net/
There are kinda other reasons that you wouldn't want to use those though, nothing bad about that...but I'd rather use a client.  :|
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Loronal on 2 August 2010, 00:06:34
PC = Personal Computer
PC does NOT mean Windows.

I hate Mac, love Windows and Linux. :thumbup: 8)  Sometimes I have problems with Linux, sometime with Windows, but I always manage to get by the problems without much hassle. Though with Mac.......*puke*, the UI is so crappy and hard to deal with, and it's very confusingly and illogically structured. :P

Well that came from a kde user only they could like linux looks over mac looks. Man Gnome and XCFE or Such Bad Imitations of the beauty of the mac desktop. Macs are the best if you got the money to pay for them why?
1. Mac is an all rounder it has more compatibility than linux but less than windows. Mac has less viruses than windows but more than linux. But unfortunately it costs so damn much that it angers me thats why I will never buy one an alienware is way ****ing better than a macbook so Im strange I wrote the most Hippocratic post in history but Im happy the
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 2 August 2010, 10:18:39
Yay your back! XD I simply don`t like the price or UI of the mac. especially the price..
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 10 August 2010, 07:23:30
Well, yeah, it is the price which is the start of the problem...
Then, a lot of people say Apple is a bad company...or they have bad support, I hear. (Of course the fruit is great though...)
Title: Re: windows 8 ribbon...
Post by: ultifd on 4 April 2011, 22:27:31
Sorry for the bump and double post, but these few discussions that are good should be revived.
I assume you guys have heard about the new interface for Windows 8, right? Ribbon? If that's true, I might just switch everything to Ubuntu... :P
(http://zapp5.staticworld.net//news/graphics/224146-ribbon1_original.jpg)
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: John.d.h on 4 April 2011, 22:55:07
Really?  The "ribbon" concept is what made the recent versions of Microsoft Office so counter-intuitive and difficult to use, so why would they want to extend that same (dys)functionality to the rest of their operating system?  Oh, right -- Microsoft is more interested in making it so people have to learn a new system and can't go on using the previous one, so their customers will keep buying their products.  Plus, it takes up even more of that valuable vertical space that is already at a premium on widescreen monitors, making it so people will buy new computers because their old ones can't the new and worse interface.  This is just keeping the worst things about Windows 7's interface, and making them worse.

I hope that was somebody's bad April Fool's joke... Oh wait, Windows is already a sad joke. :P
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: -Archmage- on 4 April 2011, 23:27:53
Windows really isn't that bad, in all fair comparison if you don't want to code your own version of Linux, Windows is more useful, and Windows 7 is actually quite good. But I will agree any day that that ribbon interface is awful.....
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: John.d.h on 4 April 2011, 23:58:07
Useful and good are relative terms here.  If you mean productive and efficient, I'll take Linux over Windows every day.  Look at the awful mess that is the Windows start menu.  Click start, click programs, scroll around to find the folder it's in (if you can even remember which one), click the folder, click the program.  That's just to launch an application, which is the most fundamental function of an operating system.  The sole function of Windows is to run programs, and it's not even efficient at doing that.  The simple things should be simple to do.  How about installing a program?  I'd much rather sudo apt-get install foo or find it on Synaptic than track it down on the internet and click through a 10-step installer.  Even if it's not available in the repo, there's a good chance there's a *.deb package on the program's site, which is still easier than a traditional Windows-style installer.  Windows has the advantage that commercial games are heavily geared toward playing only on that system, and Linux is not perfect by any means, but I'll take it just about anything over Windows.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 5 April 2011, 00:14:27
It just depends, I would use both of them for different reasons...for stuff related to coding, I would probably use linux...it's seem much easier, even just at compiling.

I also wish I wouldn't have to worry about viruses, malware, and etc... (though that's oldddd news) but with my anti-everything, I guess I'm good.

It seems that if you're good at typing and memorizing things like commands, linux is good...cept if you want to play some games. (There are some awesome games for linux though, sometimes linux only...  :( )
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: -Archmage- on 5 April 2011, 01:34:57
Useful and good are relative terms here.  If you mean productive and efficient, I'll take Linux over Windows every day.  Look at the awful mess that is the Windows start menu.  Click start, click programs, scroll around to find the folder it's in (if you can even remember which one), click the folder, click the program.  That's just to launch an application, which is the most fundamental function of an operating system.  The sole function of Windows is to run programs, and it's not even efficient at doing that.  The simple things should be simple to do.  How about installing a program?  I'd much rather sudo apt-get install foo or find it on Synaptic than track it down on the internet and click through a 10-step installer.  Even if it's not available in the repo, there's a good chance there's a *.deb package on the program's site, which is still easier than a traditional Windows-style installer.  Windows has the advantage that commercial games are heavily geared toward playing only on that system, and Linux is not perfect by any means, but I'll take it just about anything over Windows.

You're talkin raw windows, raw linux sucks too. I have Free-Commander a free-ware file manager. I click one button and it pulls up all the stuff I was just doing on Constellus, and any other tabs I have open. I rarely ever use the start menu, and I pity the average windows user. Dude you can complain all you want about windows, but have you ever tried to find a solution? Plus I like to use up-to-date technology, and 64-bit linux doesn't have very good support, so I got tons and tons of problems all the time, whereas 64-bit windows almost always works properly, I've only have a few clashes. Besides Windows costs as much as Ubuntu, if you want it too.  :P
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ElimiNator on 5 April 2011, 03:36:02
It is way easier to Mod in Ubuntu. I have windows 7 and Ubuntu, and I like Ubuntu way better. (If only all the games at the store would work!)
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Omega on 6 April 2011, 03:55:31
Look at the awful mess that is the Windows start menu.
You do know you can modify it? I sorted mine into categorized folder (having items in the start menu has the advantage of an faster searching, making it beneficial to have commonly used programs in it, even if they are on the desktop too).

I agree, RAW windows is bad. As it is, the default settings are horrible, it's lacking in functionality, and whatnot, but in the hands of an experienced user, it can be very powerful. One complaint I often hear is people saying it crashes, is slow, or give BSoD's, but personally, I've never had any more problems with it than linux. Having tried modding on both, I've found it easier on windows because of its slew of programs, which is were linux shortfalls.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: John.d.h on 6 April 2011, 04:49:22
Sure, Windows can have a decent menu, be fairly fast, and be secure against viruses if you change all of the settings and perform all kinds of maintenance on it, but why should you have to?  All the time spent tweaking, securing, defragging, virus-scanning, and rebooting every time your system or your anti-virus program updates itself...  Instead of buying a moped and trying to turn it into a motorcycle, I'd rather just have a motorcycle to begin with, especially if it's one that's less likely to crash and never needs its oil changed (and you can trade it in for another model for free any time you want).
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 6 April 2011, 05:08:15
If we're talking about RAW Windows and Linux, I'm pretty sure Linux is just a bit better...  :|

Sure, Windows can have a decent menu, be fairly fast, and be secure against viruses if you change all of the settings and perform all kinds of maintenance on it, but why should you have to?  All the time spent tweaking, securing, defragging, virus-scanning, and rebooting every time your system or your anti-virus program updates itself...  Instead of buying a moped and trying to turn it into a motorcycle, I'd rather just have a motorcycle to begin with, especially if it's one that's less likely to crash and never needs its oil changed (and you can trade it in for another model for free any time you want).
Right, it is kinda annoying to do that every now and then. Unfortunately BSoDs still happen, sometimes it doesn't have to be something that harms your comp...it could be hardware too   :-X 

Besides Windows costs as much as Ubuntu, if you want it too.  :P
But it usually about the real cost...money. And in that aspect Ubuntu wins... :P
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: -Archmage- on 6 April 2011, 06:04:22
I've moved to Windows because I grew up with Linux and I loved it somewhat, but I got so sick and tired all the problems it gave me. I loved Kubuntu 8.04, after that I got into high-end gaming and I started to loath the new linux versions.

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Quote from: -Archmage- on April 04, 2011, 20:34:57
Besides Windows costs as much as Ubuntu, if you want it too.  Tongue
But it usually about the real cost...money. And in that aspect Ubuntu wins... Tongue
You seem to have misunderstood. ::)
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 6 April 2011, 06:40:24
I have BSoDs but because of my motherboard, other than that im fine   ;D

Thou i like archLinux! yay :D
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 6 April 2011, 06:44:13
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Quote from: -Archmage- on April 04, 2011, 20:34:57
Besides Windows costs as much as Ubuntu, if you want it too.  Tongue
But it usually about the real cost...money. And in that aspect Ubuntu wins... Tongue
You seem to have misunderstood. ::)
I knew'd you say that.  ::) I understand what you meant, but since I know you don't change your mind on things or listen, I didn't reply on that part...thus I'd say you're the one who actually misunderstood, but then that's because of what I left out :P But anyways, money is the real thing...

Yep, hardware related BSoD's are really annoying...  :-X

I don't find a reason to own a mac, but one of the good things of mac is it's programs...some of them are nice. Mostly the ones related to editing stuff.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: -Archmage- on 6 April 2011, 07:09:20
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Quote from: -Archmage- on April 04, 2011, 20:34:57
Besides Windows costs as much as Ubuntu, if you want it too.  Tongue
But it usually about the real cost...money. And in that aspect Ubuntu wins... Tongue
You seem to have misunderstood. ::)
I knew'd you say that.  ::) I understand what you meant, but since I know you don't change your mind on things or listen, I didn't reply on that part...thus I'd say you're the one who actually misunderstood, but then that's because of what I left out :P But anyways, money is the real thing...

Yep, hardware related BSoD's are really annoying...  :-X

I don't find a reason to own a mac, but one of the good things of mac is it's programs...some of them are nice. Mostly the ones related to editing stuff.

If you understood you wouldn't say money is a problem. :P
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 6 April 2011, 07:26:49
I'm saying it because it's the real problem to me... I believe it's a problem. ;)
I'm the one that doesn't understand? :P
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: -Archmage- on 6 April 2011, 07:36:29
I'm saying it because it's the real problem to me... I believe it's a problem. ;)
I'm the one that doesn't understand? :P

And why is it a problem?
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: will on 6 April 2011, 07:41:43
Being a coder, I perhaps understand enough about how the various OSes are put together to make my perspective and values diverge from the usual consumer base.  But with that in mind:

I have work laptops with Vista installed.  At some point - likely at my next laptop issue - I will get Windows 7.  This is a company policy and nothing I can influence.

So the first thing I do is put Ubuntu dual-boot on them, and then I use Ubuntu almost exclusively.  I really get agitated when I have to boot into Vista again to use some silly company web-app that requires IE6 or whatever.

Ubuntu is not zero-effort, but neither is Windows in my experience.

Writing performance-critical code, and benchmarking that code on both Vista and Ubuntu, I can say that performance-wise Windows is a tax.  My OpenGL stuff - I'm now in the shaders realm - is regularly 5 or 10fps better on Linux.

It might be true that Direct3D is better supported, but if the OpenGL stack is working, my programs run basically twice as fast on the OpenGL stack than the same sane equivilent Direct3D stack, and I recall other programmers saying the same.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: -Archmage- on 6 April 2011, 08:01:02
I assume DirectX is Direct 3D?
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: will on 6 April 2011, 08:23:55
Direct3D is the component in DirectX that is equiv to OpenGL, yes.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 6 April 2011, 13:29:33
OpenGL for windows anyone?
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Mr War on 6 April 2011, 20:27:53
I'm going to show my age and say i remember how I complained when windows 95 replaced 3.whatever. XP was good but then vista and office 2007 messed up the interface. In a few days I get windows 7 or whatever the latest is, not that I care

Give me XP/office 2003 interface any day, especially for work

Mac... I'm too poor ( well I type this on my iPhone)

Linux is for geeks

UtbAnu?????????? WTF?
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: -Archmage- on 6 April 2011, 22:21:32
@Mr.War: The name is African.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 6 April 2011, 23:13:01
And why is it a problem?
Why isn't it a problem? That's the advantage of Linux to me...Also Windows is more of a UI for everything IMO. Unless you are a gamer Linux is OK.

I really get agitated when I have to boot into Vista again to use some silly company web-app that requires IE6 or whatever.
Just use an add-on like IEtab or something.

Regarding OpenGL, I can't wait till we find the right person for improving the "background"(lighting and shadows, etc) of Glest...that's more of the reason why 0 A.D. looks good.

Give me XP/office 2003 interface any day, especially for work
:thumbup:

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Linux is for geeks
Not always :P
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: John.d.h on 6 April 2011, 23:20:13
This is a forum for a free indie strategy game.  I think it's safe to say we're all geeks here. :P
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 6 April 2011, 23:31:11
But we know kids that are playing Glest, so they must be Geeks too? So they'll become geeks? :P
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Omega on 7 April 2011, 04:11:46
Mac... I'm too poor ( well I type this on my iPhone)
I loath macs personally. Overpriced hardware (I could build that mac for half the price!) with an OS of questionable support.

Linux is for geeks
Studies show that 99% of people are geeks at heart.

I personally prefer windows, but nothing beats a dual boot. Who said you can't have your cake and eat it too (catering services excluded).

Granted, the UI of Vista/7 seems to be a big issue for many, but personally, I think that any major change like that will merely take a long time to get used to, but once you get used to it, it will be hard to go back, and you'll know exactly where everything is. For example, when the school computers upgraded to Office 2007 (and later 2010), I was very lost and confused for the first few weeks, but now I'm so used to it I can hardly remember how 2003 was (all I know is that it's similar-ish to OpenOffice.org, which I use on my home computer). Likewise, the vista UI and folder structure took some getting used to, but now XP feels alien and let's not talk about windows 95 (I kinda skipped over 97 and ME, going from 95 to XP. Kinda a mind jolt). The bottom line: All major changes are controversial at first, but everyone get's used to it eventually. I could continue this topic into many other non-OS related changes that went from controversial to universally accepted, but that would probably end poorly.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 7 April 2011, 05:27:51
My windows 95 is ruined, because it lacks compatibility with 64-bit processors...
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: -Archmage- on 7 April 2011, 07:20:08
Linux has been constantly changing it's interface. Kubuntu was great back in Kubuntu 3.x, 4.x+ is just *puke*. Ubuntu: Gnome, looking pretty straight forward, then we get it and it's ridiculous, now they're moving to 'Unity'. The Linux developers haven't got the difference between innovation and insanity. The Mac developers can't tell the difference between an apple and a brick. Microsoft is slightly less insane than the Linux developers. :P Since we all know how insane Microsoft is.............. may I ju--FACEPALM.

My windows 95 is ruined, because it lacks compatibility with 64-bit processors...
You use windows 95?!  :o
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: will on 7 April 2011, 07:33:57
The scheduler on windows is still multi-level feedback queue, whereas linux has (recently) moved to a 'completely fair queue' (there's a whole sad side story in there) and that (in my experience) is a very big deal for general responsiveness.

But the biggest problem with windows is that everyone doesn't have raw naked windows (tinyxp pirates apart); they have windows+preinstalled_addons_and_slowdowns.  You can't get a copy of windows from a normal PC retailer without a whole suite of side-installed crapware and this completely directly affects the whole clutter and performance of the machine.

That has to sit right up with the new office ribbon for jarring unpleasant things about using windows.

Oh and the ribbon... having had it for a couple of years now, no I have not 'got to like it' or even 'got used to it'.  Whereas them changing the office format can be imagined to be a simple way of getting people to $$upgrade$$ its harder to understand the craziness about changing the UI in such a fundamental and universally disliked way.

Also, windows apps are simply worse-programmed.  They make far less use of multi-threading/multi-processing in general and they treat the system as though the user is single-tasking and all resources are theirs to squander.  I follow the oldnewthing blog and try and write good windows programs, but I'm fighting against the tide.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 7 April 2011, 12:47:24
My windows 95 is ruined, because it lacks compatibility with 64-bit processors...
You use windows 95?!  :o

aye mate (I learn australian! o.O), best OS ever made, and would still be if it supported new APIs
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ElimiNator on 7 April 2011, 14:15:34
Windows 95 is ancient!
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: will on 7 April 2011, 15:01:55
Some of us remember when it was new!
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 7 April 2011, 15:02:10
And great performance wise, heck, it doesn`t need 1GB just for the boot up! :-X If it had DX11 support i would be using it all day/night long.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: John.d.h on 7 April 2011, 15:36:59
Some of us remember when it was new!
I do.  I was about eight years old. ;D
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Ishmaru on 7 April 2011, 16:59:40
And great performance wise, heck, it doesn`t need 1GB just for the boot up! :-X If it had DX11 support i would be using it all day/night long.

windows 95/98 was my favorite generation of OS. I miss my old DOS games. Next would be XP that's what I currently use (aside from my MAC which i want to install xp on) and probably will for the next ten years =P! I did have an windows 3.1 machine as well, and a laptop that just ran DOS. My first computer. Good times...
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 7 April 2011, 17:28:15
So you ran Snowball then if im correct? :P

I used to use XP, but changed, and now i think that UI just isn`t good at all.

First, windows 95 when i was 4-5 or so, then using windows 2000 untill my mom got her first laptop, it had XP o.O. Then i got my own laptop, an acer aspire something with vista. But it got some errors with backlighting and stuff, then i decided to build off the old 95 machine, and now that is my gaming rig. Thou I only have the harddrive from the 95 machine, the rest is all new stuff :P
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: -Archmage- on 7 April 2011, 17:31:57
I got the snappiest machines of you all. Windows 95? Peh. Are you kidding? Amiga and Commodore 64 for the win!
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 7 April 2011, 21:50:25
but nothing beats a dual boot. Who said you can't have your cake and eat it too (catering services excluded).
Yeah, dual boot FTW!
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 7 April 2011, 22:34:21
XP  7  2000 Ubuntu Kubuntu ArchLinux

Fival boot!!

(http://chronic-dev.org/files/pwned.jpg)
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: -Archmage- on 7 April 2011, 23:16:57
That's called quintuple boot, Gabbe. ;D And cool!
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Omega on 8 April 2011, 03:57:51
XP  7  2000 Ubuntu Kubuntu ArchLinux

Fival boot!!
Gotta question the logic of that though. Why even keep 2000? It was completely beat by XP, which is beat by 7 (ask any computer expert. Pretty much all of them now recommend 7, even those who skipped over vista). And why have 3 types of linux? Or at the very least, why Ubuntu and Kubuntu? Seems like you just want more to show off. Do you really use them all?
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Ishmaru on 8 April 2011, 05:45:31
So you ran Snowball then if im correct? :P
excuse my ignorance...     Snowball?
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Omega on 8 April 2011, 06:44:22
So you ran Snowball then if im correct? :P
excuse my ignorance...     Snowball?
Snowball was the codename for Windows 3.1x.
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: Gabbe on 8 April 2011, 13:02:14
XP  7  2000 Ubuntu Kubuntu ArchLinux

Fival boot!!
Gotta question the logic of that though. Why even keep 2000? It was completely beat by XP, which is beat by 7 (ask any computer expert. Pretty much all of them now recommend 7, even those who skipped over vista). And why have 3 types of linux? Or at the very least, why Ubuntu and Kubuntu? Seems like you just want more to show off. Do you really use them all?

Pure for show yes :) I dont use anything but Windows 7 now.. I got the hardware to run just about anything on the market right now..
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: will on 12 April 2011, 09:16:31
Every OS sucks (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/loadingreadyrun/2516-Every-OS-Sucks)

Essential site: The Escapist (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/).
Title: Re: Linux vs PC vs mac
Post by: ultifd on 14 April 2011, 03:00:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI  :O