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Title: Glest Developer
Post by: GlestNetwork on 14 October 2010, 03:15:11
Content Update:
Check out the new Startup Screen! (80% Completed on Startup Screen)

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x389/GlestNetwork1/ContentUpdate1-GD.png)

Hello Glest Forum!

I am thinking of making a Glest Developer application. This includes features such as  my custom

- Glest Launcher
- XML Editor
- Tutorials
- And more!

Please tell me what you guys think and please vote on the poll. Any suggestions will be nice!

EDIT 7:05 PM [10/15/10]

SCREEN SHOTS
[LOADER - 35% COMPLETE]
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x389/GlestNetwork1/1.png)

[CODING - 35% COMPLETE]
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x389/GlestNetwork1/2.png)

EDIT 10:43 AM [10/16/10]

I know it will take you guys a while to create glest XML files, so I actually enhanced it to make it faster and easier. Here is the concept (Sorry, didn't want to make picture).

CONCEPT FOR MANUAL CODING
Step 1 - Load Glest Developer
Step 2 - Choose a template (Worker, Close-combat unit, Ranged unit, Air unit, Building, Faction, ETC.)
Step 3 - It will load into the Glest Developer
Step 4 - Now, you just got to start adding/removing/fill in the code(s) you want!

CONCEPT FOR GENERATED CODING
Step 1 - Load Glest Developer
Step 2 - Choose a template (Worker, Close-combat unit, Ranged unit, Air unit, Building, Faction, ETC.)
Step 3 - Fill in the fills <-- adding commands or removing them if you don't want them
Step 4 - It will load into the Glest Developer
Step 5 - There you have it!

Open for suggestions!
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Psychedelic_hands on 16 October 2010, 09:41:23
Hmmmm, so your asking for donations? hmmmm.

This would be good, I haven't really tried my hand at xmling yet though, so I wouldn't be the the best adviser. Will this include all of the GAE and MG commands aswell? Also could you explain all the features in better detail, I'm real interested in this.

Last thing is, if by any chance you lose interest in this project and never return to the forums, can you promise to at least upload what you have done? There have been a few things like this I've heard about where the dev says they're nearly done then fall off the face of the internet without anything.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Gabbe on 16 October 2010, 10:43:59
This do look pretty darn good, what did you base it on_
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 16 October 2010, 17:34:00
@Psychedelic_hands Yes, I am asking for donations (: and of course I promise! I will upload this, and I will never lose interest in this project because it became part of my daily routine to create it.  Here are some more details on this project.

I know it will take you guys a while to create glest XML files, so I actually enhanced it to make it faster and easier. Here is the concept (Sorry, didn't want to make picture).

CONCEPT FOR MANUAL CODING
Step 1 - Load Glest Developer
Step 2 - Choose a template (Worker, Close-combat unit, Ranged unit, Air unit, Building, Faction, ETC.)
Step 3 - It will load into the Glest Developer
Step 4 - Now, you just got to start adding/removing/fill in the code(s) you want!

CONCEPT FOR GENERATED CODING
Step 1 - Load Glest Developer
Step 2 - Choose a template (Worker, Close-combat unit, Ranged unit, Air unit, Building, Faction, ETC.)
Step 3 - Fill in the fills <-- adding commands or removing them if you don't want them
Step 4 - It will load into the Glest Developer
Step 5 - There you have it!
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 16 October 2010, 17:34:59
@Gabbe I don't know what you mean by "based it on" so I'll just tell you what I think :O

I based it on my own coding and it is based on all MegaGlest, GAE, ETC. commands.
Title: Glest Developer
Post by: GlestNetwork on 16 October 2010, 18:07:26
Can anyone donate me $2 to my paypal account? I need it for a .info for GDBin.

Paypal account: GlestDeveloper@gmx.com

GDBIN is a way of posting codes, such as you post it for other Glest members to see. It will be inside an archive and you just get the code just like that.

Here are some screenies.

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x389/GlestNetwork1/GDBin1.png)

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x389/GlestNetwork1/GDBin2.png)
Title: Re: Asking Permission: GDBin for Glest Developer (optional)
Post by: John.d.h on 16 October 2010, 18:19:15
Maybe this would be useful for you?

http://pastebin.com/api.php (http://pastebin.com/api.php)
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Gabbe on 16 October 2010, 18:39:46
Oh, i ment did you base off notepad or anything.

hmm, i think you should make buttons for each command that edits the XML like a button #give this unit 400HP and then it adds 400HP to the selected unit and also #REMOVE 200hp MAKING THAT THE UNIT ONLY HAS 200HP LEFT.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 16 October 2010, 18:43:45
Ok Gabbe! Nice Idea, So this is the concept I just thought of.

1. Enter current HP
2. Enter New HP (or click button)
2. Finds string: <max-hp value="THEIR ENTERED CURRENT HP HERE"
3. Replaces it with string: <max-hp value="THEIR NEW HP HERE"

Am I right?
Title: Re: GDBin for Glest Developer (optional)
Post by: Omega on 16 October 2010, 21:40:09
Hmm, I never knew about that before john... That could be an interesting way of posting code...

A quick test: http://omegajstest.pastebin.com/BR9yAmUm

But, what the heck *is* GDBin? How can you expect anyone to donate to something they have no clue what it is?  ::)
Title: Re: GDBin for Glest Developer (optional)
Post by: GlestNetwork on 16 October 2010, 22:08:28
GDBin is like pastebin o-o

EDIT: LOL I FAIL (: i removed it on the topic XD
Title: Re: GDBin for Glest Developer (optional)
Post by: ultifd on 16 October 2010, 22:17:20
Well, most people just use Pastebin, but I guess if there are some people who don't like Pastebin, they would use this then...
http://megaglest.pastebin.com/
http://gae.pastebin.com/ (I guess people would use this subdomain...or something similar)
Title: Re: GDBin for Glest Developer (optional)
Post by: GlestNetwork on 16 October 2010, 22:36:27
Yeah, but this would hold a whole archive of the codes (: well, donate if u will please, or don't. Just thanks for the feedbacks guys ^^
Title: Re: GDBin for Glest Developer (optional)
Post by: Omega on 16 October 2010, 23:38:05
I don't see the reason for that. Paste bin can do it better, and really, what does it matter if you post individual XMLs online? After all, you upload the finished product anyway...
Title: Re: GDBin for Glest Developer (optional)
Post by: GlestNetwork on 16 October 2010, 23:46:31
lol, just a suggestion >.>
Title: Glest Developer [Background_Small]
Post by: GlestNetwork on 17 October 2010, 00:00:12
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x389/GlestNetwork1/gdDemo1.png)
Title: Re: Glest Developer [Background_Small]
Post by: Omega on 17 October 2010, 05:15:43
Err.. what was the point of making a new topic just for a logo???

Looks decent. Not sure what its for.
Title: Re: Glest Developer [Background_Small]
Post by: Psychedelic_hands on 17 October 2010, 13:45:23
Err.. what was the point of making a new topic just for a logo???

Looks decent. Not sure what its for.
Don't be so harsh.  :P

Looks cool, although you could've just posted it in your other thread.  ::)
Title: Re: Glest Developer [Background_Small]
Post by: Gabbe on 17 October 2010, 15:37:21
its cool, but doesnt remind much of glest.. :thumbup: :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Glest Developer [Background_Small]
Post by: GlestNetwork on 17 October 2010, 18:14:18
Yeah i know, but thanks for the feedback! I'll make the next one all about Glest  :|
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 17 October 2010, 19:40:11
I'm about to be done (:

Can somebody support this project? It needs a website to be hosted up. Donate by my signature!

Regards,
Glest Network
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Gabbe on 17 October 2010, 20:04:54
Im sorry, Im not old enough :(
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 17 October 2010, 20:06:15
Darn, I need like $2 and that's it :O
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Gabbe on 17 October 2010, 20:07:06
Ouch, i though of giving 10, but i cant use paypal :( :) :thumbup: :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 17 October 2010, 20:14:57
Um, why not? You can always make an account, and I heard that you can use fake information and then delete the account :P
Thanks for helping Gabbe.

Special Regards,
Glest Network
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Gabbe on 17 October 2010, 21:54:34
ye but i need my cred card and stuff, which im not 18 =/
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 17 October 2010, 22:15:10
Oh. Thanks though (: I really need it though XD
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Gabbe on 17 October 2010, 22:27:28
I`ll get my parents to do when you upload kk? :)
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 17 October 2010, 22:39:21
Well, I can't upload without the website because it's integrated :O

Btw, making a teaser ^^
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: -Archmage- on 17 October 2010, 23:05:48
Please explain how it's integrated with the website and why you need it.



1. Enter current HP
2. Enter New HP (or click button)
2. Finds string: <max-hp value="THEIR ENTERED CURRENT HP HERE"
3. Replaces it with string: <max-hp value="THEIR NEW HP HERE"

I see no good reason to have to enter the current hp, I think 1 box with the HP in it that can be modified to any number is all that is needed. :|
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Gabbe on 17 October 2010, 23:07:45
Just tell Omega what to do and then he`ll do it for you on glest. Hes a Guru on websites and codes for them so hell figure it out for you, but i would more like a app rather than something on a website..
Title: Re: Glest Developer [Background_Small]
Post by: -Archmage- on 17 October 2010, 23:07:46
I have to eat so I can't do a topic merge right now, but next time Glest Network, please don't make a new topic for things like a background. ;)
Title: Re: Glest Developer [Background_Small]
Post by: GlestNetwork on 17 October 2010, 23:12:39
Ahh, i c. Thank you (:
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 17 October 2010, 23:13:51
Oh, no it's integrated by the GDBin. I find it an interesting feature. So, please? (:

Oh yeah and Archmage, I didn't literally mean to enter the current hp, it automatically does it for you ^^
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Gabbe on 17 October 2010, 23:15:12
Can we have the code? just use mediafire :)
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Omega on 17 October 2010, 23:18:46
Why do you need a webpage? No offense, but I don't see *any* use for the GDBin. After all, pastebin does the same thing better, and the mod will get uploaded online anyway, so there's no need to upload individual code snippets really. Just stick with the offline stuff.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 17 October 2010, 23:25:43
I see. But I still would like to add it. Thanks for all the support guys.

@Gabbe What do u mean? like the source code of the program? O_o
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 17 October 2010, 23:27:13
Aww.... who reseted the poll? o_O
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: -Archmage- on 18 October 2010, 05:15:16
Probably whoever merged... (not me)



I'd like to see a faction displayed as a folder structure with '+' and '-' buttons that you can click on to open and close folders. To edit an XML you'd put the mouse over the XML file, and buttons would appear(edit, copy, move, delete, maybe more...), you'd click edit and it would bring up a large panel with the parameters listed and boxes for typing things in. For the cellmaps you'd have a true/false switch, a row length parameter, a column parameter, and based on the previous two parameters a set of boxes you could tick, and a tick would be considered an unwalkable tile. For model paths, it would have a long box for a path to the file, and then a browse button that would pull up a small graphical filemanager. And to get into a faction editing setting, you could have a modes drop-down menu up where the file and edit menus usually are, and in the mode menu you could have: Faction Editing Mode, Maping Mode, Model/Particle Viewing Mode, and more...
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 18 October 2010, 05:49:10
Thanks archmage for the suggestion!

Will add it tomorrow but please explain more.. I'm interested! make sure u check it 2morrow.

- GN
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Trappin on 18 October 2010, 20:02:49
Glest is an open source game, nearly all mods are licensed under GNU/CC BY SA and most of the tools used here are open source or at least freeware. If you really want this project to be successful then you need to release the source code for inspection and license it so others can freely modify and redistribute the product.

Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: John.d.h on 18 October 2010, 20:27:28
Glest is an open source game, nearly all mods are licensed under GNU/CC BY SA and most of the tools used here are open source or at least freeware. If you really want this project to be successful then you need to release the source code for inspection and license it so others can freely modify and redistribute the product.

Quoted for truth.  You won't get much support by hoarding your source code.  It's just not a Glest-like thing to do.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 18 October 2010, 22:06:20
You may be right, but It's optional. Sorry, but I choose to decline that offer... for now.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: ultifd on 18 October 2010, 22:20:24
I guess you should expect less support for now then...Problem is, this is the most crucial time to have support for an application like this...but it is not like you don't have any support...just much less than what you could have.
Anyways, you're the same "Glest Network" from before right? The thought just came to me...kinda.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 18 October 2010, 22:21:16
Yups (: I've grown to maturity ^^
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Omega on 19 October 2010, 00:04:13
You may be right, but It's optional. Sorry, but I choose to decline that offer... for now.
Yups (: I've grown to maturity ^^
You know those two statements clash right?

Almost every glest mod, tool, etc is released under the Creative Commons (CC-BY-SA and CC-BY-NC-SA are both common) or the GPL.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 19 October 2010, 00:16:36
And? But Didn't glest made those themselves? I made this MYSELF. Look, guys I understand that Glest is open source.. but.. however.. I'm trying to make this easier and help out you guys, I would've give out the source code and share with you guys so you guys can code the later versions but..

Plus, the truth is, I work for T.A.P Company which I use some of their codes... I'm forbidden to share or give out source codes unless permitted.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: -Archmage- on 19 October 2010, 01:14:12
That explains a lot. ::)
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: ultifd on 19 October 2010, 01:20:40
Ugh...contradictions... :/ ...

Anyways, how is the progress? Also, when did you start...
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 19 October 2010, 03:12:54
@ultifd I know right?... Sorry guys, I really want to give out the source code...
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Psychedelic_hands on 19 October 2010, 10:16:24
Is using their code illegal? or just giving and sharing?
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 19 October 2010, 14:06:37
I'm using their code, and no it's not illegal because I Work for them.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: John.d.h on 19 October 2010, 15:27:44
I'm using their code, and no it's not illegal because I Work for them.
Err... you sure about that?  Did you actually get permission to use it?
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Gabbe on 19 October 2010, 15:52:43
Can i see what part of your contract that says that? WHen can i stgart work for them and illegal mass distribute thru torrent?
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Trappin on 19 October 2010, 18:37:30
Sorry to pile-on here:

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gabbe Ye, so whens the source code up?
Idk, the next 5 versions maybe or maybe when I stop making glest developer?
@Gabbe I don't know what you mean by "based it on" so I'll just tell you what I think
I based it on my own coding
I'm using their code.

I choose to decline that offer... for now.

And now you reveal that the source code is proprietary? So, you really can't release the source but have baited folks by claiming that the source may be released at a future date. Wow!

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gabbe WHen you`ll have a working version, and I`ll support your web when you've released something  so unless someone else wants to donate before they've gotten the product, then you might wanna spend your own cash on the website.
lol thanks. I dont got any money
Can somebody support this project? It needs a website to be hosted up. Donate by my signature!
Darn, I need like $2 and that's it

I work for T.A.P Company

You work for a company but don't have 2 dollars/euros/rubles/yen to pay for a code hosting service? Honesty and transparency are not proprietary features in the game of life - stop bullshitting us - my gawd.. lmao

Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Gabbe on 19 October 2010, 18:52:44
I belives he only want money, and all he do is photoshopping images of "progress"...
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: John.d.h on 19 October 2010, 20:27:32
Yeah... this is getting really suspicious.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Yggdrasil on 19 October 2010, 21:04:47
Yep, i also have the feeling he's justing making all of this up. He uses sourceforge but doesn't want to release the source code. It's only free for open source software, closed-source projects have to pay. And some other statements from him doesn't look like he's a developer, maybe a bloody beginner but definitely not working for a company.

So, release code or it didn't happen.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 19 October 2010, 21:37:22
Yes, I don't have money because I work for free because it's fun. I've come to like what I do. I only said that I might release the source code in the future because I don't want you guys to feel all down - sorry if I lied.

I am not a beginner coder just to let you guys know. Really, I'm trying to help you guys out and why do I only want to have money if I'm doing this FOR FUN? I'm just asking you guys to donate if you WANT TO.

It's not even a publish company too. It's not a contract, more like a vow to devote.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Gabbe on 19 October 2010, 21:44:51
publish a vid of you running the program.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 19 October 2010, 21:57:23
I told you, that's what I've been working on! The video.. and plus, why would you think that I photoshopped those images? That's a really dumb answer because how do I get all of those images myself and make everything seem so real? If you think like that, then, I think you're totally lost in the world of photoshopping and coding and taking screeenshots.

Plus, I think that you're only wanting the source.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: silnarm on 20 October 2010, 04:07:09
I am not a beginner coder just to let you guys know.

If you are a 'coder' at all, you are very much a beginner.

...and plus, why would you think that I photoshopped those images?...

Because he has no development experience himself.  I on the other hand am fully aware that you didn't photoshop it, the winforms designer is not at all hard to use. The question is, is there actually any code behind it??  I suspect not.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: John.d.h on 20 October 2010, 04:56:44
Okay, let's see if this makes sense...

You supposedly work for a company, but they're not paying you.  That makes you a voluntary contributor at best.  Although you're not actually an employee, the company allows you to use their code for a program you're going to release to the public without paying.  Although you can use their code, you can't actually release it to anyone.  You don't need any money to develop this program, but you're panhandling.

I'm counting at least five red flags right there.

There are certain things I don't want in my food (MSG, meat, HFCS, mercury).  By the same token, there are certain things I don't want in software (spyware, DRM, key loggers).  A refusal to show source code is just as suspicious as a can of soup that refuses to list its ingredients, especially coming from a shady vendor who I have absolutely no reason to trust.  What don't they/you want me to know about their/your product?  What's in it that they/you are trying to hide?
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 20 October 2010, 05:00:10
Well, sorry if I'm not clear. The main thing is, do you want to use the program or not? I will not release the source though. It's up to you guys - plus, it's a free service, and let's not go to serious questions here. I'll make you confused because I'm not good at making things clear.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: John.d.h on 20 October 2010, 05:17:05
The main thing is, do you want to use the program or not?
Unless you provide us a reason to trust you, Hell no.
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It's up to you guys - plus, it's a free service, and let's not go to serious questions here.
Most viruses are free, too.  For something that could potentially damage our systems and steal our passwords and bank account information, serious questions are warranted.  I'm not drinking your Kool-Aid unless I know it's not poisoned.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Psychedelic_hands on 20 October 2010, 05:24:05
Things do seem pretty sus here...... :-[

But in case you don't have any bad-intentions; I'm really sorry, and I do feel really bad for you  :(
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 20 October 2010, 05:30:04
Well, I'm sorry you think that I will actually attempt to hack you guys. I thought you knew better.

In addition, suspicion is everywhere, am I right? At your house, outside... No need to say "It's suspicious" if everywhere we go, it's suspicious.

@Psychedelic_hands Thanks, but I feel sad for myself to think they actually trusted me and would co-operate with me. Wasn't that what Glest was for? Co-operation to expand?
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: ultifd on 20 October 2010, 05:35:00
I don't think you're trying to "hack us"...but I'm still thinking about the source code and release.
Anyways, don't lie anymore and keep developing your app and provide a release as soon as possible... That's probably the best solution for you...not to "fix everyone", but at least some of your "problems" would go away...
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 20 October 2010, 05:37:40
Well, the thing is, I don't know how I can if most of everyone thinks that it's a fake and that I photoshopped my "progress"... like really? Why would I go through this much fuss then?
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: ultifd on 20 October 2010, 05:43:25
Not everyone...
Well, that's why you provide a release to prove that your app isn't fake and etc...you can't change their mind by trying to back up your statements or claims...
Also, their negative insight on this is partially because you lied/made up something... (Don't do that again)
So try providing an alpha or something...soon. Or else, probably your work will, unfortunately, be for nothing... :/
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 20 October 2010, 05:44:14
I'm done with what you guys are saying and posting. I wanted to help, but this was what I get in return:

I belives he only want money, and all he do is photoshopping images of "progress"...

Yep, i also have the feeling he's justing making all of this up. He uses sourceforge but doesn't want to release the source code. It's only free for open source software, closed-source projects have to pay. And some other statements from him doesn't look like he's a developer, maybe a bloody beginner but definitely not working for a company.

So, release code or it didn't happen.

I am not a beginner coder just to let you guys know.

If you are a 'coder' at all, you are very much a beginner.

...and plus, why would you think that I photoshopped those images?...

Because he has no development experience himself.  I on the other hand am fully aware that you didn't photoshop it, the winforms designer is not at all hard to use. The question is, is there actually any code behind it??  I suspect not.


Okay, let's see if this makes sense...

You supposedly work for a company, but they're not paying you.  That makes you a voluntary contributor at best.  Although you're not actually an employee, the company allows you to use their code for a program you're going to release to the public without paying.  Although you can use their code, you can't actually release it to anyone.  You don't need any money to develop this program, but you're panhandling.

I'm counting at least five red flags right there.

There are certain things I don't want in my food (MSG, meat, HFCS, mercury).  By the same token, there are certain things I don't want in software (spyware, DRM, key loggers).  A refusal to show source code is just as suspicious as a can of soup that refuses to list its ingredients, especially coming from a shady vendor who I have absolutely no reason to trust.  What don't they/you want me to know about their/your product?  What's in it that they/you are trying to hide?

The main thing is, do you want to use the program or not?
Unless you provide us a reason to trust you, Hell no.
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It's up to you guys - plus, it's a free service, and let's not go to serious questions here.
Most viruses are free, too.  For something that could potentially damage our systems and steal our passwords and bank account information, serious questions are warranted.  I'm not drinking your Kool-Aid unless I know it's not poisoned.

BTW, Thanks for Ultifd for keeping my hopes on this project.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Little Helper on 20 October 2010, 06:10:20
Please no questions why I am back from my idleness from Glest. Any questions please send me a message.

     To everyone who had false doubts against Glest Network. I have to utter but why the criticisms of his work? As far as I am concerned he is only explaining his concepts and updating everyone the; Glest community, on his progress. We shouldn't take his contributions and or his offerings for granted (Not saying you guys are). Wether he is going to make a website or have needless features its his choice for helping others or rather making it easier for all Glest Developers. He is simply providing everyone a resource. Maybe you don't need this tool but other might. And to make a standing I would aboslutely use this. I know Glest is an open-source game, I'm pretty much sure most of you want to learn and use as a glest a resource as a tool to help or guide you to learn or understand the fundamentals of learning how to code or just for the heck of it. However its his decision to give away his source. I am pretty much sure he would but as he mentioned its private, needless to say it is still his decision. I do undestand that perhaps some of guys thinks he is practicing malicious activities, but its unrealistic to say so without any "real" evidence. Just because he post screenshots doesn't mean he is photoshopping. Don't judge before hand. Does it really matter if he is a beginner or experienced coder, but its his contributions. Its only natural that we all start small? Maybe he is even using Glest and this project as his tool to learning. And lastly, @Yggdrasil calling him "Bloody" won't get things anywhere. "Bloody" means the same thing as the "F" word in England, and Glest's community is filled with all sorts of people from different side of the world, so he might of not known..so I just wanted point that out.
 
-Little Helper
P.S I reply slow.  :( and Hi everyone.  :O
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: John.d.h on 20 October 2010, 06:15:54
All we needed is a reason to trust you.  You provided us with none.

If you want to take your ball and go home, then that's your prerogative.  Try not to let the door hit you on your way out.

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Title: Glest Developer - Closed, Unreasonable.
Post by: GlestNetwork on 20 October 2010, 06:24:34
This is not reasonable. John has shouldn't close down the topic without an explainable and acceptable reason. Plus, I never said I would stop working on Glest Developer did I? All I said was, just stop the negativity - rephrased. Plus, I never gave you a reason why you shouldn't trust me. That doesn't mean you close down the topic. You don't know when I'll give you a reason but I know that it took Albert Einstein a while until he got that bulb working. Guests/New go on here all the time, and you don't even know them. I don't see you going up to them and saying what you said to me.

I demand that you lift the closed topic as a moderator of Glest, you have to be reasonable about things.
Title: Re: Glest Developer - Closed, Unreasonable.
Post by: ultifd on 20 October 2010, 06:33:22
:/ ...Well GN, next time don't make something up or lie, as bad things always happen after people do... But you probably realized that.
Anyways, the best thing to do now is release something soon, to prove some things and maybe gain people's trust back (or at least partially). Good Luck.

This was what I was going to post...
@Little Helper
Welcome back...again?  :O
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making it easier for all Glest Developers.
Well, not the actual Developers... I'm pretty sure they wouldn't need this...For others, sure.
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@Yggdrasil calling him "bloody" won't get things anywhere.
Well, of course, but that's because Glest Network lied...but I think GN learned his lesson about that, at least.

I'm done with what you guys are saying and posting. I wanted to help, but this was what I get in return:
I am not a beginner coder just to let you guys know.
If you are a 'coder' at all, you are very much a beginner.
...and plus, why would you think that I photoshopped those images?...
Because he has no development experience himself.  I on the other hand am fully aware that you didn't photoshop it, the winforms designer is not at all hard to use. The question is, is there actually any code behind it??  I suspect not.
Well for this post GN, I'm pretty it sure it is all right... Coders are always beginners because they can usually learn more...coding, I guess. etc... (I remember someone told me that it takes around 20 years to actually be not a "beginner" anymore, or something like that.)
Title: Re: Glest Developer - Closed, Unreasonable.
Post by: John.d.h on 20 October 2010, 06:40:24
This is not reasonable. John has shouldn't close down the topic without an explainable and acceptable reason. Plus, I never said I would stop working on Glest Developer did I? All I said was, just stop the negativity - rephrased.
You said you were done, and that you wanted (past tense) to help, meaning you didn't anymore.  So yeah, you did kinda say you weren't going to work on it anymore.  Also, it was locked to stave off the ensuing butthurt that I'm sure we'll see from you like last time you tried to peddle your wares here.
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Plus, I never gave you a reason why you shouldn't trust me.
You've got things completely backwards.  We don't have to prove that you're not trustworthy.  You have to prove that you are.
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That doesn't mean you close down the topic. You don't know when I'll give you a reason but I know that it took Albert Einstein a while until he got that bulb working.
lol What?
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Guests/New go on here all the time, and you don't even know them. I don't see you going up to them and saying what you said to me.
You would if they were spamming for money and trying to push potential malware on us.
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I demand that you lift the closed topic as a moderator of Glest, you have to be reasonable about things.
lol "demand"
Title: Re: Glest Developer - Closed, Unreasonable.
Post by: Little Helper on 20 October 2010, 06:40:43
Well just because of the program's name I said "developers" but I would much rather say modders or tweakers and so modders and tweakers would use it. I am glest modder and my friends too and we definetly would like see Glest Developer released. In conclusion, in a feeling I thinks its sort of unfair that his thread is lock just because he lies, we are all humans we have reasons to lie and he only lied for the sake of his privacy or due to the constant request of his source code which could lead to pure pressure in a way.  I look at the situation in more of  a  human point of view. Thanks for the positive feedback ultifd. I trust Glest Network.

@John. GN is confused at the situation of course (I understand why) but we do blurt things that we don't want to say. Its great that you are taking the actions you are suppose to John as a moderator of glest. He did restate that he will be bringing fourth the project so will you? Will you, unlock his topic?
Title: Re: Glest Developer - Closed, Unreasonable.
Post by: ultifd on 20 October 2010, 06:50:01
Well just because of the program's name I said "developers" but I much would rather say modders or tweakers and so modders and tweakers would use it. I am glest modder and my friends too and we definetly would like see Glest Developer released.
(oh, ok.)Yes, that is correct. I'm also pretty sure it would help them...for obvious reasons.  :thumbup:
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In conclusion, in a feeling I thinks its sort of unfair that his thread is lock just because he lies, we are all humans we have reasons to lie and he only lied for the sake of his privacy or due to the constant request of his source code which could lead to pure pressure in a way.
Yes, but it would have been better if he just did not, since this is partially because he lied and therefore, he lost some trust... :/

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Thanks for the positive feedback ultifd.
No problem, thank you for you analyzing the...conflict?
Title: Re: Glest Developer - Closed, Unreasonable.
Post by: Little Helper on 20 October 2010, 06:51:32
Well if you think about it deeper a moderator locking his topic..rather seems that he totally lost all of his trust. Well I'm off now btw I've seen your videos great!  :)
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: John.d.h on 20 October 2010, 07:09:23
Unlocked for now, though I have a feeling I'm going to regret it.  Also, cleaning up superfluous topics.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Psychedelic_hands on 20 October 2010, 07:46:14
Wow, this seems to have gotten far,  far out of hand.
Why don't we just start fresh, and hug it out?

Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: -Archmage- on 20 October 2010, 08:27:05
@John: I think you're suspicion is well-placed, but you don't need to go that far, he can't do any harm now, and we've made it clear that he won't be getting any money from us until we see a release. Then of course if the release is some malware, well there are sites that scan downloads for you. Besides, just download it on a Linux computer, or if it's a Windows only release, then that's what Avast is for. Because of the fact that he can't do any harm in this position, I say we stay open to the possibility that he's not faking us out. Note: As I recall, last time he was around he did provide working software.....



Wow, this seems to have gotten far,  far out of hand.
Why don't we just start fresh, and hug it out?

Because that's not how you solve problems. :| You can't pretend they don't exist, you have to solve them. :|



@GlestNetwork:
All that we want from you at the moment is something that will prove we can trust you.

Just pulling a straw here, but you were pretty pissed off when you left last time, that gives you a motive... :look:

EDIT: Checking out the first post, I find you ideas interesting, but you really don't NEED the website.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Gabbe on 20 October 2010, 13:31:18
I will surely buy a HDD and backup my files before downloading, but go ahead and release..but i have no idea about that you are volounteer and dont allowed to release code..
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Little Helper on 20 October 2010, 13:33:59
For the sake of your security he messaged me that he will be posting a a raw virus scan if it fits if not I guess I'll test the program first.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 20 October 2010, 14:26:09
If you think that I will release a virus of some sort, I will post 2 virus scans for your sake.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Little Helper on 20 October 2010, 22:26:09
Wow, this seems to have gotten far,  far out of hand.
Why don't we just start fresh, and hug it out?


I agree. Its a mess in this thread so why not start out clean?
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Gabbe on 21 October 2010, 04:39:02
Wow, this seems to have gotten far,  far out of hand.
Why don't we just start fresh, and hug it out?


I agree. Its a mess in this thread so why not start out clean?

because what arch said.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: GlestNetwork on 21 October 2010, 04:43:36
@John *Ignored*
@Gabbe What do you mean Gabbe? Because he said so? So, if he said let's all jump off the bridge, you'll go with that?  :-[
@Archmage Thanks. Oh yeah and I'm almost done with your suggestion a few days ago.

@Everyone If you got nothing good to say, don't say it here anymore.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Psychedelic_hands on 21 October 2010, 04:51:33
Wow, this seems to have gotten far,  far out of hand.
Why don't we just start fresh, and hug it out?


I agree. Its a mess in this thread so why not start out clean?

because what arch said.

The Problem is Network lied and John was being overly cautious (Which I thank him for, because I know he is looking out for the community). The only way to fix this problem right now, is forgiving and moving on.
Title: Re: Glest Developer?
Post by: Gabbe on 21 October 2010, 04:53:50
No i wouldn`t, but i have same opinion as arch -.-

Yes, GL on making it :)