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Title: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Mr War on 26 March 2011, 22:50:14
Thread dedicated to all military war machines (siege engines, early tanks, interesting warships) both real and fictional, pre-1920. I hope this is an interesting topic and also a good place to harvest unit ideas for Glest.

Since I've been adding "ironclad" and pre-dreadnought battleships to my mod, here are some cool old battleships
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[img]http://www.corbisimages.com/images/67/E11ED9C3-CDA3-40D1-8E59-B9B980B3D769/BE088057.jpg[/img]Russo-Japanese war
(http://images.artelino.com/images/articles/toshihide-migita-russo-japanese-war5.jpg)

French pre-dreadnought.
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[img]http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/maldives/738/jauregm.jpg[/img]
British Royal Sovereign Class battleship, 1900
(http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_135-30_mk1_Hood_pic.jpg)
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Ishmaru on 27 March 2011, 02:54:06
The American Civil War had the most unique Ironclads i've seen.
The Confederate ones were like floating steel houses more than boats:
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[img]http://www.corbisimages.com/images/67/7771A72A-72FF-48D8-9DDB-AD35BB4A7E0C/SF674.jpg[/img]
Mini one:
(http://ih1.redbubble.net/work.4427289.1.flat,550x550,075,f.plymouth-north-carolina-civil-war-ironclad-css-albemarle.jpg)

Union one are very low height. Remind me of subs with a turret:
(http://bay-journal.com/bay/1he/writings/imgs/ironclad-monitor-harpers-wkly-1862mar22.jpg)

Battle:
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[img]http://niahd.wm.edu/attachments/21862.jpg[/img]
The confederates had the first attack submarine:
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[img]http://www.jonnychapps.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/hunley_render1.jpg[/img]The idea was to sneak up and ram a ship with the explosive at the tip. To bad it sunk herself in the process. Perhaps one of these would be great for imperial mod. A melee water unit. hopefully more successful than this sub.

Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Mr War on 27 March 2011, 08:54:58
ah, yes the Monitor was a big influence on my "ironclad" unit although I merged it with later battleship influences. Yes a submarine is on the cards.

There are quite a few other wooden submarine ideas out there - maybe a mix of these and Hanley for Tech/Imperial?
Drebbel replica
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1322/582028723_a3252a3e17.jpg)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/7/12263172_48d9e622ce.jpg)

Spanish one
(http://krisdedecker.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/21/ictineo_submarine_cross_section.jpg)

Never built Dutch idea from 1600s
(http://www.heiszwolf.com/subs/plans/plansrotterdam.jpg)

Fantastic site for this stuff: http://www.heiszwolf.com/subs/plans/plans.html
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: John.d.h on 27 March 2011, 09:39:45
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/TurtleSubmarine.jpg)
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Turtle_%28submarine%29

Submarine from the American Revolutionary War.
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: wyvern on 27 March 2011, 14:31:31
leonardos tank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DaVinciTankAtAmboise.jpeg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leonardo_tank.JPG
and flying machines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leonardo_flying_machine.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leonardo_da_Vinci_helicopter.jpg
and a parachute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leonardo_da_Vinci_parachute_04659a.jpg
A lot of his drawings of technology and equipment inspired some of the current tech units, like the ornithopter, and my add ons like the tank and possible helicopter.
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Mr War on 2 April 2011, 17:59:10
Some amazing Japanese prints of pre-dreadnoughts
(http://ocw.mit.edu/ans7870/21f/21f.027/throwing_off_asia_01/image/2000_380_11_l.jpg)
Many more here http://ocw.mit.edu/ans7870/21f/21f.027/throwing_off_asia_02/visnav_ii_e.html
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Hagekura on 3 April 2011, 00:33:15
Nice picture.
I can see from the label the japanese white ship in the front is a Cruiser Matsushima.
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[img]http://okiraku.air-nifty.com/plamo/WindowsLiveWriter/t35_18_3.jpg[/img]T-35 multi turreted heavy tank.
It's a WWII tank so not pre-1920 but looks very classical and funny. :O

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[URL=http://img200.imageshack.us/i/tp01511.jpg/][IMG]http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1686/tp01511.th.jpg[/img][/URL]German Armoured Train BP45. also not pre-1920 though.

In fiction, I like Goliath Airship from the 1986 anime "Laputa".
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Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Zoythrus on 3 April 2011, 14:54:54
to go along with the anime references, who here has played the Metal Slug games?

like, every boss and enemy is modeled after the big, fantastical, anime vehicles.

one of my favorite examples is the Slug Gunner from MS 5
(http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Zoythrus/MS_Gunner.gif)
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Mr War on 3 April 2011, 16:41:18
The soviet interwar tanks are darn cool. Add steam power and we're rocking!

Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: wyvern on 3 April 2011, 17:31:46
the t-28 and original panzer 5 were also cool multi turreted tanks, though of dubious value in combat.  :O
The SMK was also cool, but saw very little, if any action in its test trials in the winter war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMK_tank
And here's more beastly tanks though the ratte and monster were never built
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_2C
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1000_Ratte
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1500_Monster
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Mr War on 3 April 2011, 20:16:45
ah, the Vickers A1E1 Independant was another multi-turret tank from that time.
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[img]http://images7.fotki.com/v141/photos/1/133612/1712096/A1E1-vi.jpg[/img]
[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3348/3592490395_3658db52cf.jpg[/img]
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Ishmaru on 4 April 2011, 03:02:49
I like mini tanks.

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[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2460/3554668346_dfacf3d7dd.jpg[/img]
For fantasy I love the airships in an anime called "Last Exile"

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VPd3Jn9pmaQ/S8D6y5cFegI/AAAAAAAAAUA/KPLRIaSr47c/s1600/vanship.jpg)
(http://tvforfree.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/anatory-fleet-airship.jpg?w=400&h=292)
(http://tvforfree.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/silvana.jpg)
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: wyvern on 4 April 2011, 18:32:08
Heres some tiny tanks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-27
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TKS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L3/35
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Mr War on 4 April 2011, 19:30:18
Meine kleine panzerin?

Love the airships too, a bit like red alert
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: wciow on 4 April 2011, 19:52:17
Quote from: Wyvern on  4 April 2011, 18:32:08
Heres some tiny tanks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-27
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TKS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L3/35

That TK5 is so cute, I want one  :O
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Mr War on 4 April 2011, 22:04:29
WWI Liberty tank with fake turret, Indiana Jones
(http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/3/32/IJLC-HatayTankA.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2058/2415504364_30db1990c7.jpg)

Steamboy war machine
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3JrXVK1OHPQ/TFJdHwbiOrI/AAAAAAAAAs0/Ac3dinqzCLo/s1600/steam_tower_steamboy.jpg)

Air ships
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r229/Dark_Sigurd/AirshipBattleFleet.jpg)
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: wyvern on 5 April 2011, 01:45:50
Quote from: Mr War on  4 April 2011, 22:04:29
WWI Liberty tank with fake turret, Indiana Jones
(http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/3/32/IJLC-HatayTankA.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2058/2415504364_30db1990c7.jpg)

Steamboy war machine
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3JrXVK1OHPQ/TFJdHwbiOrI/AAAAAAAAAs0/Ac3dinqzCLo/s1600/steam_tower_steamboy.jpg)

Air ships
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r229/Dark_Sigurd/AirshipBattleFleet.jpg)
Sweet, the modified mkIV ww1 tank with an awkward turret also looks cool
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Yggdrasil on 5 April 2011, 14:52:23
I love this airship fleet. Seems to be concept art from iron grip which has awesome artworks.
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http://igwarlord.isotx.com/http://www.moddb.com/games/iron-grip-warlord

artist's website:
http://www.maniakart.com/
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: -Archmage- on 5 April 2011, 15:21:27
Spider Tank from Turok, a fun and brutal game. :P
(http://kprojekt.net/wp-content/photos/turok/reg/pg-turok-spidertank01.jpg)
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Mr War on 5 April 2011, 20:21:01
Quote from: Yggdrasil on  5 April 2011, 14:52:23
I love this airship fleet. Seems to be concept art from iron grip which has awesome artworks.
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http://igwarlord.isotx.com/http://www.moddb.com/games/iron-grip-warlord

artist's website:
http://www.maniakart.com/
Wow the art is truly amazing man
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Mr War on 5 April 2011, 21:06:41
amazing sub, Surcouf
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[img]http://www.seoprise.com/pds_data/military/images/1187400260.jpg[/img]
[img]http://derfflinger1982.blogspot.es/img/Surcouf.jpg[/img]
[img]http://storeagemsw.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/museemarine-surcouf-fnfl-p1000460.jpg[/img]
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Mr War on 7 April 2011, 20:52:36
a bit more recent but it does look like it's straight out of a computer game like Red Alert, the Soviet Object 279 tank
(http://i052.radikal.ru/0806/fe/96726f0af50a.jpg)

US type T-28
(http://www.battletanks.com/images/T-28-3.jpg)

French type FCM1
(http://france1940.free.fr/photos/FCMF1.jpg)

French ARL-44. Love the tracks
(http://alternathistory.org.ua/files/resize/240111_ARL44_08-680x445.jpg)
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Hagekura on 7 April 2011, 21:16:02
At modern tanks, I want to cite American M50 Ontos anti-tank vehicle.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Ontos.jpg)

When I saw picture of the vehicle first time, it occurs me Guntank.  :O
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[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Rx-75.jpg[/img]
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: wyvern on 8 April 2011, 02:50:02
Sweet, especially the 279 of which I have never seen a picture before.
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Ishmaru on 8 April 2011, 05:54:02
Quote from: Hagekura on  7 April 2011, 21:16:02
At modern tanks, I want to cite American M50 Ontos anti-tank vehicle.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Ontos.jpg)

When I saw picture of the vehicle first time, it occurs me Guntank.  :O
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[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Rx-75.jpg[/img]

-Those anti tanks reminds me more of anti air flak cannons.

-I've always felt that GunTanks should have camouflage. The blue red yellow stands out to much. The same can be said for all Mobile Suits.
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Mr War on 8 April 2011, 10:15:43
This thread has already given me so many ideas for my next mod, thanks :-)
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Hagekura on 9 April 2011, 06:46:18
Quote from: Ishmaru on  8 April 2011, 05:54:02
-I've always felt that GunTanks should have camouflage. The blue red yellow stands out to much. The same can be said for all Mobile Suits.
Yeah all mobile suits would look thousand times better when they are camo painted. The reason why the mobile suits painted with vivid colors is that the BANDAI corporation guys have to sell their toys and plastic models to kids.  ;D sober camouflage colors don't appeal to children.
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Mr War on 11 April 2011, 21:41:52
Some of the great ideas from a Google Search on "Steam Tank"
(http://www.garyeggleston.com/steam.jpg)
http://www.garyeggleston.com

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs21/f/2007/273/3/c/Steam_Tank_by_prepsage.jpg)
http://prepsage.deviantart.com/art/Steam-Tank-66131970

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk104/Ortwin-Chaos/SteamTank-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: wyvern on 12 April 2011, 20:19:14
sweet, I'll try to post pictures later but has anyone seen or heard of the british "footed" steam vehicle that had tread like wheels and was tried out during the crimean war
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: ultifd on 13 April 2011, 01:12:51
Moved the OT posts...nice machines! :P
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Ishmaru on 13 April 2011, 04:23:52
Quote from: Hagekura on  9 April 2011, 06:46:18
Quote from: Ishmaru on  8 April 2011, 05:54:02
-I've always felt that GunTanks should have camouflage. The blue red yellow stands out to much. The same can be said for all Mobile Suits.
Yeah all mobile suits would look thousand times better when they are camo painted. The reason why the mobile suits painted with vivid colors is that the BANDAI corporation guys have to sell their toys and plastic models to kids.  ;D sober camouflage colors don't appeal to children.

I would love to see a Gundam-esque /Giant mecha mod  for Glest. I started one a while back but quit to work on Annex.
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Hagekura on 15 April 2011, 22:04:57
Quote from: Ishmaru on 13 April 2011, 04:23:52
I would love to see a Gundam-esque /Giant mecha mod  for Glest. I started one a while back but quit to work on Annex.
Gundam mod would be awesome... but there will be many kinds of difficulties making it. :O
(I remember there was a fantastic gundam mod for Homeworld2).
btw Have you seen new Gundam series Gundam UC?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx_cgW226ko
It looks a　promising Gundam series after a long time since the ∀ Gundam.  ;D
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Ishmaru on 16 April 2011, 04:49:54
Quote from: Hagekura on 15 April 2011, 22:04:57
Gundam mod would be awesome... but there will be many kinds of difficulties making it. :O
(I remember there was a fantastic gundam mod for Homeworld2).
btw Have you seen new Gundam series Gundam UC?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx_cgW226ko
It looks a　promising Gundam series after a long time since the ∀ Gundam.  ;D
wow the animation looks amazing!
I'm not too much of a UC fan so i never really watched them (with the exception being 08 MS Team, which I loved) I watched mostly the SEED Series and Gundam X. Watched portions of Wing and 00. I think SEED was my favorite series, and had some of my favorite units, however i LOVED the realism in 08 MS Team
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines - Pre-dreadnoughts
Post by: Mr War on 17 April 2011, 20:59:29
From deviantart.com <found via Google, no idea of author ????
(http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs23/f/2008/026/c/4/Battle_for_Reykjavik_by_sketchboook.jpg)

USS Maine, From http://www.ireference.ca/search/USS%20Maine%20(ACR-1)/
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/Uss_maine_color.jpg)

French pre-dreadnoughts from the excellent http://steelonsand.blogspot.com/
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DSmFIIS7WgA/S1dm3aXDNlI/AAAAAAAABQE/UOKN3LydJMw/s1600-h/SANY0276.JPG)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DSmFIIS7WgA/S1dm3q-YODI/AAAAAAAABQM/QDtdcvYnH0U/s1600-h/SANY0279.JPG)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DSmFIIS7WgA/S1dm2-tGmUI/AAAAAAAABP8/innQNfgcwps/s1600-h/SANY0274.JPG)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_gN9tmgqSW0/TXpJtUF6adI/AAAAAAAACXQ/oxA8PEk_h9o/s1600/SANY0704.JPG)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-r78H1yVCBCo/TXpIuTP5PEI/AAAAAAAACWg/xLViTfIXZl8/s1600/SANY0731.JPG)
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Mr War on 20 April 2011, 21:53:02
TREBUCHET ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.real-world-physics-problems.com/images/trebuchet.jpg)
(http://trebuchet.pbworks.com/w/page/25066061/f/trebuchet1.png)
(http://www.fitz-claridge.com/Images/trebuchet.jpg)
(http://www.itraveluk.co.uk/photos/data/959/medium/trebuchet.jpg)
(http://www.travelaroundeurope.co.uk/images/warwick/warwick-castle/trebuchet-2.jpg)
(http://science.discovery.com/tv/punkin-chunkin/contraptions/images/trebuchet-325x205.jpg)
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Gabbe on 20 April 2011, 22:05:49
AG3, one of the, if not the most powerfull standard weapon out there. Called Norwegian Hand Cannon by US marines, and feared by insurgents, this heavy weapon is high quality and high firepower.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Norwegian_AG-3.jpg/220px-Norwegian_AG-3.jpg)
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(http://www.nazarian.no/images/wep/320_norsk_soldat_hk79.jpg)

Used to be standard in The Norwegian Defence, but now it is slowly being exchanged by HK16, along with the MG3, both being phased out. The MG3 is exchanged by the NATO minimi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teTCjExwBCM

The AG3 is a built more powerfull and upgrade version of the german G3, read kore here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G3
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Mr War on 20 April 2011, 22:20:53
floating arm trebuchet built full size. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZxCEkGk6HI
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: will on 20 April 2011, 22:28:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fE5ZE4Pj5w
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Mr War on 21 April 2011, 20:25:25
haha. But I am so disappointed the trebuchet didn't work, that would have been awesome man
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Zoythrus on 23 April 2011, 17:15:42
this topic reminds me of a game called War Front: Turning Point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Front:_Turning_Point
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Ishmaru on 23 April 2011, 17:29:58
Quote from: Zoythrus on 23 April 2011, 17:15:42
this topic reminds me of a game called War Front: Turning Point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Front:_Turning_Point

The units in that game were great. Exo-skeletons Energy shields, Liquid nitrogen bombs, i think there was a sound based weapon in there as well, all in world war 2 battlefields. My favorite thing about the game was that you can manually control turrets in first person i thought that was the best thing. =D
Title: Re: Wonderful War Machines
Post by: Zoythrus on 23 April 2011, 19:19:43
i want to play it!