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Modding and game content creation => Mods => Topic started by: atze on 17 March 2014, 22:41:26

Title: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.5.2 (wip))
Post by: atze on 17 March 2014, 22:41:26
Here is a preliminary, preview, to the models that I've built for the next mod. I'm not sure if I'm using the all. Not even if they remain so. :| We'll see. Some are inspired by a game that I only know of screenshots. Unfortunately, I still lack the infantry units. ;) The build will probably take.

(http://i62.tinypic.com/5bvjgo.png) (http://i58.tinypic.com/2nl4fae.png)

update 02/15 (in german):

(https://atze.megaglest.org/pics/preview_screen_pn_0.4.1.png)

Prax-Next "Hold Your Base"

download link for latest version: prax_next_xxx (https://atze.megaglest.org/techtrees)

Note you need min. >=  megaglest 3.11.x  for this
Title: Re: Prax Next - Reconquer the World - Mod (work in progress)
Post by: Ishmaru on 17 March 2014, 23:04:10
I assume this is inspired by Command and Conquer judging by the Mammoth Tank on lower right :)

Anyways great Structures, and Humvee and Tank. Though I'm not super fond of the buggy models, the feel like they are lacking some detail.
Rather intrigued by the structure in the middle, with the add on buildings.

PS I wonder were I heard this tittle before... :P JK I really enjoyed Prax and look forward to this mod as well!
Title: Re: Prax Next - Reconquer the World - Mod (work in progress)
Post by: John.d.h on 18 March 2014, 00:35:00
I liked it so much that I'm using your panzerwagen for a game I've been working on this past week and I used the texture for some related things I've been working on. :)

http://opengameart.org/content/military-van
Title: Re: Prax Next - Reconquer the World - Mod (work in progress)
Post by: Ishmaru on 18 March 2014, 13:57:27
I don't think the buggies are bad, just not as detailed as the jeep and tank models.
Title: Re: Prax Next - Reconquer the World - Mod (work in progress)
Post by: kratos on 20 March 2014, 21:14:51
I like the texture, but why you don't add an "ancient" faction near Natulka?
Title: Re: Prax Next - Reconquer the World - Mod (work in progress)
Post by: jammyjamjamman on 20 March 2014, 23:32:00
I like it!  :thumbup: Most of the models looks very detailed. The structures especially look very impressive.

Personally, I think the tank, buggies and jeep all look as detailed as each other, and they all look good to me. If I were to criticise any of the models it would both the flying unit models. The helicopter looks too obese, and since I presume it's meant to look wide I think that could look a little better by adding extra items (e.g. air ducts, more guns etc.).
I my opinion, the hover thing looks too much like a dodgy R/C toy. I think that may be improved by adding extra stuff also.

The headquarters looks fantastic. I look forward to seeing this all collect to become a faction.
Title: Re: Prax Next - Reconquer the World - Mod (work in progress)
Post by: titi on 21 March 2014, 00:59:12
I love those new models! They look good and all have the same style and fit very well!
Title: Re: Prax Next - Reconquer the World - Mod (work in progress)
Post by: atze on 21 March 2014, 11:37:51
Quote from: Ishmaru on 17 March 2014, 23:04:10
I assume this is inspired by Command and Conquer judging by the Mammoth Tank on lower right :)

Yes also, but I meant the game "Battle Worlds: Kronos", that was the main source of inspiration.

Quote from: Ishmaru on 17 March 2014, 23:04:10
PS I wonder were I heard this tittle before... :P JK I really enjoyed Prax and look forward to this mod as well!

Okay, the name was of course an allusion to your great mod "Annex". :P  Whether it is at the end of this, however, is still questionable. :|

Quote from: John.d.h on 18 March 2014, 00:35:00
I liked it so much that I'm using your panzerwagen for a game I've been working on this past week and I used the texture for some related things I've been working on. :)

http://opengameart.org/content/military-van

Good work. I find your model, really great. :thumbup: The combination possibilities are great. I never thought that someone who knows what to do something with this texture. As I've been wrong me. ;)

Quote from: kratos on 20 March 2014, 21:14:51
I like the texture, but why you don't add an "ancient" faction near Natulka?

I just wanted to do something different. ;) The "Statosa" the 2nd faction for prax is (work in progress) 70% ready. The buildings are finished except for a few construction and destruction models. Main problem (statosa) is the lack of infantry troops. If you have to offer a beautiful animated crossbowmen, bring it on.  :)

Quote from: jammyjamjamman on 20 March 2014, 23:32:00
I like it!  :thumbup: Most of the models looks very detailed. The structures especially look very impressive.

Personally, I think the tank, buggies and jeep all look as detailed as each other, and they all look good to me. If I were to criticise any of the models it would both the flying unit models. The helicopter looks too obese, and since I presume it's meant to look wide I think that could look a little better by adding extra items (e.g. air ducts, more guns etc.).
I my opinion, the hover thing looks too much like a dodgy R/C toy. I think that may be improved by adding extra stuff also.

The headquarters looks fantastic. I look forward to seeing this all collect to become a faction.

Yes ok, your criticism is justified, as I said are all first time just ideas may I change there's one or the other. However nice that it still likes you.  :)

Quote from: titi on 21 March 2014, 00:59:12
I love those new models! They look good and all have the same style and fit very well!

Thanks Titi  :thumbup:  :)

Title: Re: Prax Next - Reconquer the World - Mod (work in progress)
Post by: Coldfusionstorm on 24 May 2014, 12:04:46
Exelent models and Textures!, Going to be great to see in a game.
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (work in progress)
Post by: atze on 14 January 2015, 23:57:21
Well, after some time, here first a trial version. (go to start-post)

Is just available in german and english (don´t forget the hook ;) )

This is not a 100% ready version, but i guess for testing is that ok. Have fun. :)

(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2870p52.jpg)

Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released (wip))
Post by: titi on 17 January 2015, 14:44:50
Playing with your mod I found 2 bugs in the engine that effect your mod:

morphing:  morphing the "Zentral modul" resulted in storage 1100 before ( which was wrong ) .  Now its upgraded from 500 to 600. Maybe you need to take this into account.
https://github.com/MegaGlest/megaglest-source/commit/667b043393ace7c0a28bfc5988960d2f25b238ac

particles: Many particle systems made MG pretty slow. This is a lot improved now-
https://github.com/MegaGlest/megaglest-source/commit/0616483452042db701b7a930f044fc72d112f8b6

Some issues:
- AI has some problems with food. Sometimes they attack you with a very "hungry" army which is nearly dead.

- MG has serious path finding problems with big units. Maybe you can shrink some more units a bit down so they fit to size 1 ? This will improve performance a lot which was an issue playing with many units.
Suggestion:
Make all vehicles a bit smaller
Raketenwagen Panzerwagen and Spaehwagen can maybe be size 1 units ?

Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released (wip))
Post by: atze on 18 January 2015, 02:11:33
Thanks titi, for the work on morphing and particles. Is fixed in next upload.

To the vehicles I would say, there build I rather some new maps. Especially for this mod. Since then the infantry, would become too small supposed.
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released (wip))
Post by: Hagekura on 18 January 2015, 11:32:29
The modeling and animations are well made in general, and particle effects are nice. The health bar is really good!
but textures of vehicles are looks flat, IMO. You relies too much on the green camo texture on every vehicles in your mod, if you work some more on them, they looks more better.
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released (wip))
Post by: atze on 19 January 2015, 01:39:43
Most animations of the infantry are from Archmage´s spearmen.
Yes, textures could be even better. However, also gameplay, balancing, particles and sounds.;D  If are still some building sites. :O
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (version 0.3.8)
Post by: atze on 19 January 2015, 20:04:32
Quote from: titi on 17 January 2015, 14:44:50

...

- MG has serious path finding problems with big units. Maybe you can shrink some more units a bit down so they fit to size 1 ? This will improve performance a lot which was an issue playing with many units.
Suggestion:
Make all vehicles a bit smaller
Raketenwagen Panzerwagen and Spaehwagen can maybe be size 1 units ?


Okay, here a update. (--> first post)

Perhaps, it functions now better?  :|
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.4.3 (wip))
Post by: atze on 14 February 2015, 17:53:18
Here the next update for prax-next.  :) (first post)

(http://atze.megaglest.org/screenshots/screen270.jpg)

With new infantery and worker. I hope you like it. :| Gameplay is better now, but not perfect. Im open for suggestion. ;D
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.4.3 (wip))
Post by: Carl the Great on 15 February 2015, 02:35:35
Nein! What happened to the humanoid models? They were like best quality, these "humanoid" models look like from a video game.
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.4.3 (wip))
Post by: atze on 15 February 2015, 17:35:36
Carl the Great, hmm a pity. :|  Do you not like this infantery?
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.4.3 (wip))
Post by: atze on 15 February 2015, 17:49:53
Well :), nothing resist the, here a different unit. For the next version. ;D

(http://atze.megaglest.org/screenshots/screen17_b.jpg)

"burn baby burn"  :D
(click to show/hide)

"don´t play with fire"  ;)
(click to show/hide)

Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.4.3 (wip))
Post by: Carl the Great on 15 February 2015, 20:40:21
Flammenwerfer?!

Are you using Google Translate while typing your posts?
On my previous post; The infantry looks like from Halo or some other video game I don't tolerate to watch. Though it is your "original" models, they are best replacement of Archmage's spearman unit, so I kind of "like" your original models, again, based on various video games.
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.4.3 (wip))
Post by: atze on 15 February 2015, 21:22:33
Okay, thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.4.4 (wip))
Post by: atze on 16 February 2015, 00:07:21
Here then the vers. 0.4.4 (go first post) :) This need a lot of stone, maybe you use a map with enough ressources. Have fun. ;)
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.4.4 (wip))
Post by: titi on 16 February 2015, 16:33:56
Can we download the old human models somewhere ? I only have g3d's for them. Maybe they are useful for someone else :)

Talking about this, what about putting this mod on github like we did with Barrilion or dark magic ? By this nothing gets lost:
https://github.com/titiger/barillion
( still without source models: https://github.com/titiger/dark_side )

Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.4.4 (wip))
Post by: atze on 17 February 2015, 17:11:13
No.  :O

The animations are in too many different files (beginner's mistake for my part :confused: ) that I want to do nobody.  ;)
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.4.4 (wip))
Post by: Carl the Great on 17 February 2015, 18:13:48
atze, I have to say this:

Ja! I still have the 0.3.8 7z file that has the old human models you said. I have uploaded the "copy" of 7z to TinyUpload and here's the link: http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=13116133692985759242

Isn't the recent versions of this mod found in the index of atze.megaglest.org/techtrees?
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.4.4 (wip))
Post by: atze on 17 February 2015, 21:41:22
Quote from: Carl the Great on 17 February 2015, 18:13:48
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Isn't the recent versions of this mod found in the index of atze.megaglest.org/techtrees?

Obviously.  :)
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.4.4 (wip))
Post by: Hagekura on 18 February 2015, 13:18:04
I think the new soldiers models are far better than the previous version's. The Flame Throwers are nice! Animations are good also. If I am allowed to wish so much, The models could use more details, but OK for Top-side view.
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.4.4 (wip))
Post by: atze on 18 February 2015, 14:12:39
Hagekura thank you. :)
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.4.4 (wip))
Post by: titi on 2 March 2015, 09:49:21
CPU-Mega really loves latest version prax_next_0.4.6 . They are so strong, we never had a real chance in all games we played. So you did a really good job improving the CPU player!

Some vehicles are not worth the price and should be improved a bit. Especially the biggest tank should get  a lot more armor! Its priced like 600 gold or something like this and cannot even kill 3 soldiers in a typical mass attack of the AI. Enabling splash attack for it might be a good idea too.  :)

 ( btw I edited your first post and let the download link point to https://atze.megaglest.org/techtrees/ now so people can always choose latest version. )

Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.4.4 (wip))
Post by: Carl the Great on 2 March 2015, 17:29:52
Don't forget, I posted the link for version 0.3.8 as the last post of the first page of this thread. Didn't you say about reusing the old humanoid models?
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.5.2 (wip))
Post by: Ishmaru on 7 September 2015, 01:43:12
I've ever had a chance to upload these, but i made a alternative texture for the realistic models Atze had in this mod. If anyone wanted :P

(http://i60.tinypic.com/2u5z9s5.jpg)

(http://i61.tinypic.com/29bzrbd.jpg)
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.5.6)
Post by: titi on 23 November 2015, 09:09:43
We played this (version 0.5.6 ) yesterday and this is what I think:

- human units should at least have an auto health of 1. By this, starving workers can recover.
- turrets are hard to break and by this games get very long if people use lots of turrets. Even a pure vs CPU fight took 1 hour for us because the CPu made so many turrets. How about adding/modifieng a tank or something so it does not get so much damage from the turrents? It should be able to fire at the turrets before it dies. And it should have a powerful shot that does real damage to the turrets. A group of this vehicle should be able to break a little mixed group of turrets. Currently this can only be done with helicopters as far as I know. Or did I miss a unit which is able t do this ?
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.5.2 (wip))
Post by: atze on 23 November 2015, 12:58:41
Ishmaru  :thumbup:  thx for this texture, maybe it use anyone.

Thx for test, titi and filux

"- human units should at least have an auto health of 1. By this, starving workers can recover."

Do use upgrade "medikit".  ;)

"- turrets are hard to break and by this games get very long if people use lots of turrets. Even a pure vs CPU fight took 1 hour for us because the CPu made so many turrets. How about adding/modifieng a tank or something so it does not get so much damage from the turrents? It should be able to fire at the turrets before it dies. And it should have a powerful shot that does real damage to the turrets. A group of this vehicle should be able to break a little mixed group of turrets. Currently this can only be done with helicopters as far as I know. Or did I miss a unit which is able t do this ?"

Okay, good hint i will change it.
Title: Re: Prax Next - Hold Your Base - Mod (released 0.5.2 (wip))
Post by: andy_5995 on 22 February 2019, 09:31:26
I see there's a more recent version (0.5.7 (https://atze.megaglest.org/techtrees/prax_next_0.5.7.7z)) that was released on 22-Aug-2016.