This game sucks

[lazlo]

What's with being attacked by massive swarms of enemies within the first few minutes?  I'm talking about at least 10 to 15 enemies suddenly hitting all at once.  You've hardly had a chance to build up anything by then, and you're suddenly being slaughtered.  To make it even worse, if you manage to beat them the computer will send another massive wave within one or two minutes.  It felt like I was playing against the Zerg swarms on Starcraft.  I tried different maps and changing from magic to tech, but it never made a difference.  I've never had problems playing games like Warcraft, but then again they don't send wave after wave of enemies to destroy you.  When I first saw the game, I thought it was great that it was being given away free, but now I guess I know why.

[tucho]

It felt like I was playing against the Zerg swarms on Starcraft

thanks, we are honoured by your comparison with the Starcraft gameplay experience.

[Sizzoragame]

ummmm.....thx?

[RV-007]

I think it's cool that way. I say bring on the onslaugt, I got the tools to take down any offensive. I like getting reactions from the attack tactics so that way I can use it to their disadvantage. It is not really that difficult to handle the waves and I wouldn't call 10 to 15 enemies a massive battle.

And this game is not like "Warcraft", because it got flying units. In Warcraft, I never see the enemy base and the map is big enough to get lost. Besides, the word war suppose to mean war, not enemy patrol or little skirmishes at a time.  :mrgreen:

[tucho]

ummmm.....thx?

it is ironic... if lazlo's comments would be a bite polite, I would took the trouble to explain him some tricks for win against the CPU controlled factions, but I think isn't worth waste time with this.

[@kukac@]

hes just dont know how to play right now. dont he think, that the enemy would not attack, this game would be too easy? im usually build alot of soldiers (horsemans are good at tech side, and i use magic armor at magic) then wait until the enemys first attack then i attack out with my units (i left some at the base), then if it not succeeded, i build horseman+airship at tech, and daemon giant at magic.

[Coz]

@OP: that is simply the way the AI plays. It builds a moderatedly strong force, and sends it to attack you. You could do the same, and you will easily eliminate this insignificant and utterly unsuccessful attack after you can master the power.

[BuffaloX]

THIS GAME ROCKS!
It took me a couple of days to figure out how to beat the AI.
It was tough, but  also quite satisfying to finally figure it out.

It has a lot of the Starcraft feel, which is quite impressive, since it's one of the best RTS's ever.

I think that when multiplayer arrives, this will REALLY trake off.

Thanx to everybody involved with this project, I have loads of fun with it.

[tucho]

Thanks for your comments BuffaloX, I glad you like the Glest gameplay experience  

[josepzin]

[borisbovkun]

First off, the enemy sends waves of 10-15. How does it do it 0_0. If you ever play allies with a CPU and watch them, first off they send there worker-class to mines. Gold is most important in early game. After around 5 miners they put 2-3 people to making life-support(farms/energy sources). After getting around 10 miners, they start building up. If they have a summoner&iniates they make daemons and battlemages. In tech, they make 2-3 barracks which are able to mass supply. After they run out of their "backup" resource, they start working on it with about 5 people. The barracks dont always have training grounds. Also, CPU(ultras) as techs are notorius for getting stables up early. High defence units, such as armored swordsmen, magic armors, and horsemen, particulary well-upgraded ones, pose an enormous threat to archer,swordsmen, and daemons in smaller numbers. So if you want to beat them, use there own strategy. If you are not good enough to beat the super-resource collecting ultra, at least remember that the normal has the same limitations, and can be beaten easily if they are outnumbered early. First strike always counts as a scouting mission. After that, they massively outnumber you. And what you said that you fight off a wave and they send one in 1-2 minutes. IN THOSE 1-2 MINUTES, THEY ARE PRACTICALLY DEFENCELESS. Also, about comparing them to the zerg swarms of starcraft... They aren't very zergish. Zerg would often outstrenghen and trick you rather then outnumber you. These guys are smarter. Every RTS has its own AI. This one has the early-attack theme. That is all.

Peace out

[borisbovkun]

I'm pretty sure if somebody had played "Starcraft", he would know how to handle waves of attack (unless there's a cheat [don't point at me])

Don't point at me either

[RainCT]

CPU Ultra is the same as the normal CPU, but it has to pay less for buildings, units & investigations.

[borisbovkun]

CPU Ultra is the same as the normal CPU, but it has to pay less for buildings, units & investigations.

I honestly cant beleive that.

CPU ultra is...
The only one of the CPU's ive seen with archmages
The earlier stable researcher as tech
Always moving units in closer groups

[RainCT]

No, the CPU ultra simply cheats. It harvests gold at a 300% rate.

[martiño]

No, the CPU ultra simply cheats. It harvests gold at a 300% rate.

Yes, normal and ultra are exactly the same, with this difference.

[mammut]

The game doesn't suck. It's great! A very nice and fun game and it's FREE!

It is a bit... no, it's very hard. I haven't won any "match" yet. But it doesn't make the game suck, does it?
The game isn't 100% complete yet, I'm pretty sure we will see an option were you can choose if you want to play in Easy-mode.

And when the multiplayer-part comes, then you'll be able to fight against your friends instead of a computer.

[spicey]

Man I love the game.  It looks great and all but I have been playing for days and getting burnt out on it already.  I just cant figure out how to beat the AI.  Common problem with noobs I imagine.  OH well I don't know what to do.. I have been playing the magic side.. I have 3 dudes mining gold, 2 harvesting stone, and a guy harvesting wood.. I have a number of demons and some battle mages.. well, as soon as I get a library to where I can start making horses and stuff, a big mob runs in and beats me down like no problem.  game over.  I never have seen an opportunity to upgrade to battle mage.   What am I doing wrong?  Tech comes in with a small group and wipes me out.. but if I do the same to the AI, it defends with no major problems and continues on and eventually I'm done for sooner than later.

[HomerJ]

http://www.glest.org/board2/viewtopic.php?t=1279

Greetz
HomerJ

[barnaby]

I played this game about a year ago (1.3 I think). It was challenging, but not impossible against 3 non-allied CPUs, you just had to learn how to harvest and produce effectively until you could build up a massive force of robots (the highest unit at the time) and wipe each one out, one at a time. I think I had 6 castles by the end, and all had max gold/stone/wood.

I just played version 2.0.0 and have gotten hammered every time on 'Island Siege' (only map I've tried so far) against 3 non-allied CPUs. The AI attacks sooner and with a formidable force than before, which is good. But EVERY computer team attacks me and only me! No they're not allied, they attack each other, but only after they've slaughtered me. It might just be the 'Island Siege' map, I've only played that one because it has lots of gold at the start and I was determined to beat it.

I've tried several times and done it to about 80% of perfect. That is, I harvested gold and produced workers madly for the first few minutes, had 2 workers to get my barracks up ASAP, built a second barracks so I can produce faster, switched half my workers over to wood so I don't get any resource bottlenecks, etc. I was pretty much producing units constantly but I just couldn't hold off 3 teams.

My best effort was when I didn't bother with swordsmen or advanced swordsman, and just went straight to Horsemen (and built lots of archers too). After I held off the second raid (from all 3 teams, again!), I switched to making robots. I held off a 3rd raid quite easily and thought I was on top. By this time I had about 10 robots, 8 horsemen (20-odd had died), 15 archers (30-odd had died) and fully upgraded swords and shields, the only thing I hadn't done was build gyrocopters. I was annihilated by the 4th raid. When I looked at the final scores I had 172 kills and 104 deaths. The other teams had 65, 54 and 40 kills, only one team had more kills than deaths. I had more kills than all of them combined but I still lost.

Maybe it's just that map where I'm in the centre that makes the CPUs all come after me. It might be possible to win that map against 3 CPUs, but it's bloody hard.

[barnaby]

This is my current best effort vs 3 non-allied non-ultra CPUs on island siege

CPU1
Kills         19
Deaths     63
Produce   88
Harvest    15.5k
Score       7.8k

CPU2
Kills         24
Deaths     76
Produce    79
Harvest    15k
Score       7.8k

CPU3
Kills         44
Deaths     71
Produce    96
Harvest    16.6k
Score       10.8k

Total CPU
Kills         87
Deaths     210
Produce   263

Me
Kills         206
Deaths     83
Produce    79
Harvest    16.8k
Score       26.2k

So you can see from the difference between my kills and total CPU deaths (or difference between my deaths and total CPU kills) that the CPU teams only killed 4 of each other. I'm clearly slaughtering them, but I can't win because they're targeting me.

At my peak I had roughly 2 archers, 12 horsemen, 8 robots, and 2 gyros. This time I tried attacking after I held off a raid and I was about to annihilate CPU1 when CPU2 attacked. I sent my horsemen and a few robots charging back to defend against CPU2 and left 3 robots to finish off CPU1. But CPU2 had too many and I had to send those robots back to help. I didn't survive, so it didn't matter anyway.

Do CPUs preferentially attack the human or is it just this map? If so, I think the only way to win this map is to attack one of the CPUs and take over their base. It's too hard to protect my workers and blacksmith/barracks/technodrome from 3 teams attacking at the same time in such an indefencible place (archers keep picking off my workers whilst I'm being attacked from another direction by a different CPU).

By the way, great game. Except night time is too dark and there's no way to brighten it (except on my monitor). Also, I can only group with ctrl+1, ctrl+2,3,4,etc don't work (I'm on linux). It's quite hard to coordinate units, I think there needs to be some menu selection - like select all archers (double clicking only selects units close buy, and you have to get one to stand still first)

[HomerJ]

You can find out quickly if its just the map... start on a different spot! If you don't use the first  part for the human player but one of the others you can start somewhere else.

When i was playing the mountains map (my favourite) and there where 3 non allied CPU I just waited in my homebase, fought off a little attack from time to time and just waited and produced golems and dragons. Later i was flying around with my dragons and only one CPU was still alive...

Greetz
HomerJ

[barnaby]

Yeah, starting in a different spot made a huge difference. But I was determined to beat this map from the middle spot, so I had a couple (probably 10 actually

I did it by producing nothing but horsemen and gyros. When they attacked I sent the gyros in to bombard them, and then ran the horsemen straight to the back to take down catapults/robots, then used the horsemen to take down the archers, then sent horsemen back to base and left the gyros to deal with the rest. After that, if it was daytime I sent my healthy units to their base to take down their castle, then retreated and repaired my injured units so I could keep elites. When things were quiet I'd send my near elites to the de-castled bases to kill pigs 'n stuff to get elite

[HomerJ]

Good work!
Now do the same with magic against CPU Tech!  

Greetz
HomerJ

[Doom_Goat]

the game is excellent, for what is is. open source, designed by just a few guys. we all know that it's no warcraft 3, but with the contributions of everyone around the world, it can grow into much better of a game. it obviously has a long way to go, but thats why we need to keep working on it.