tech stronger than magic?

[modman]

I think that if the Golem were easier to get (can get it quicker in the game or costs less resources), then the AI could utilize the defense and damage absorption aspects of the Golem more.  Rarely do I see a player make more than one Golem in the game.  I think the Golem is probably the most underrated unit in Magic, if not Glest.  Opinions?  The Golem could help Magic finally top Tech, I think.

[Omega]

That depends, is your expert magic player me?

I for one, know I am better with magic than with tech, and were it not for my internet and loss of files, I'd challenge any tech right now. (too bad that there's never anyone in the IRC these days...)

[asmalvear]

The truth..... I really dont think so, magics are also strong as much as techs, but if you prefere techs then techs will be easier for you

[Mark]

Well, we didn't do it to stop that from happening, we did it so we could have a longer game

But not wanting a particular effect is not the same as not allowing it to happen... 

How exactly would you consider pausing cheating?
Using it isn't cheating, the computer does orders every second, switching through all it's algorithms in a split second, picking ways to react to attacks and whatever else it may face.
If someone hasn't noticed humans don't think like that. When your playing Glest do you stop and think about unique strategies, or do you attack them head on, and regularly defend yourself, and blunder to victory.
You can't cheat when your playing against a computer, cause computers have the advantage anyway, they can think/react instantly.  If all you can do is stop time, look, think, issue orders(that don't get carried out until you unpause), and do things while unpaused.
What kind of advantage is that?

Besides, it makes up for the fact that you're one person. You create a medieval town/city in Glest, just like they would've in medieval times, except there's one big difference. In Glest you're the one person controlling everything, in medieval times they had a lot of people taking care of things, so pausing is just giving you time to think/plan(where the computer does all this instantly), and be all those people at once.

Besides it allows you to take on more enemies and for my Dad, have more fun.

BESIDES, you seem to be sidestepping the the fact that the obvious reality that you are aware of and appear to like is not held in the realms of pause/unpause.  What i mean is that life is in real time.

And I found out a way so you can make a unit that can trade your wood, (or stone,) for gold.( I have it in my crusader tech. )

Yep, that was figured out awhile back, maybe 6-8 months.  Check page 10 of the mods sections for something like that.  That only works if you change all the resources into static resources.

ALL:  This is getting ridiculous.  The conversations about archmage101's dad are pointless, and as hailstone said, if he only does it by himself it is fine.  THIS TOPIC IS ONLY ABOUT THE STRENGTH AND WEAKNESSES OF MAGITECH!    [sorry for the outburst :-[] 

@Omega- I agree with you that brains can almost always beat dumb muscle in video games.  But as far as a CPU playing magic, it ain't happening.   Example:  The magic practice scenario.

[Omega]

I agree with every last word you said.

Yes, its all in the AI, not balance issues. AI sucks...

[-Archmage-]

Yah, the AI is awful compared to Human control, I think GAE could work on improving the AI a bit.

[ElimiNator]

that is because they make the somoner somon. then they make it walk vary rarely dose it finish somoning.

[-Archmage-]

that is because they make the somoner somon. then they make it walk vary rarely dose it finish somoning.

No offense to your English Elimnator, but I think I'd like to fix your message:

That is because the AI makes the Summoner summon, and then walk before she finishes summoning, and so she doesn't always finish summoning.

[Mark]

that is because they make the somoner somon. then they make it walk vary rarely dose it finish somoning.

Yes, that is a problem...

[-Archmage-]

I want to revive this topic because the AI won't play magic right except when I run Glest under WINE.
I don't care about playing magic at all, I prefer Tech, because it's plain more fun for me, and I want to beat the living daylights outta magic, but magic won't fight back!
How well the Human plays doesn't matter at all, if the CPU can't play it, then you can't fight it!

[ultifd]

The UI/computer Magic is weaker than tech...that's for sure.
Then sometimes, it's ok. 

[tiger]

YES tech is stronger.

[modman]

Yes, comparable CPU's, when fighting, the Magic faction can only beat Tech early in the game.  If Tech is alive by Magic's third or fourth wave, Magic is doomed.

[Scenariole]

No magic is stronger! Battlemages always seem to fight about 1 to 2 units before death compared to an archer who has a mere average of 1. Magic are WAY stronger, they already have high armour bonus early in game and have regen too! Tech units must research just to get the same amount of power. Drake riders are equivalent to horsemen both with attack range, close hp and speed. Only thing is that the drake gets 50 armour straight away and it takes research for the horseman to get the same.

@ Sir modman I do think that magic beat tech early, the AI is just a pain, sometimes it just sits in a state where it makes so much daemons, battlemages, ghost armors and drakes. Other times the AI makes dragons and archmages. I played 2 on 2 in the conflict map and the tech wave would always beat me and my ally's magic army. We would lose and this was on Ultra.

Tech is easy for me but im just not satisfied with the power. Its just like riding a controllable ship with moderate speed but you just want more! Magic on the other hand is a somewhat more difficult to control ship with fast speed. Magic in my opinion have the weakest form of defense, the summoners cannot hold up against an army destroying their base. And when the AI makes all the initiates attack, he is just making the Tech have more ELITE units!

I just prefer magic because it mainly requires gold, not having to worry about wood, though for most units I make, they use gold.

[-Archmage-]

Actually from what I've seen a Horseman can beat a Drake Rider and still have some HP left.
Also, once Tech survives the first round(always does in a fair battle) it gets Guards in the second or third rounds, and Guards just kick magic's bum.

[Scenariole]

Guards to me suck. Their slowness makes them easy to kill by archmages. They just run to them and die.

[ElimiNator]

Ya but the archmages splash gives damages to the archmage.

[-Archmage-]

You talking about me?

Oh yes, that's the trade effect for the archmage's usefulness at range.

[Scenariole]

Magic to me is stronger. I like the tech's ease of use but I want MORE from it, MORE power! If it had more power, it would be an Uber tech that what makes it balanced. I like magic, its just that everything has to go through processes, and base defense is really bad.

[ultifd]

Well for all I know sometimes the CPU Magic sucks... like other factions...for example indians, penguins, and others...
Not in MegaGlest but in Original Glest and GAE...
When you first start in playing Glest, tech is easier...magic is advanced.
Then you get the hang of it...
But then there is (sometimes) some balancing issues...
Then again everyone knows that already... 

[tiger]

Ok guys guys lets focus here.

Tech is stronger then magic.

ok now you know so no need to talk about it anymore is there?

[-Archmage-]

Well, if Tech is used right(by my Dad), then it's many times the strength of Magic!

[tiger]

well on my computer magic is realy bad.

[ElimiNator]

Mine too.

[Scenariole]

If tech is stronger than magic then what advantages does magic have?