tech stronger than magic?

[Omega]

Modman's right about the workers. I myself never use them to attack because its a waste of resource.

[modman]

Thank you.

[battle machine man]

I'm going to have to question you on that one.  It would be a second Holocaust (or third, if you count the Black Holocaust).

lil strech I made there but u get it once in CnC I had 29 NOD flame tanks and I was building more and my enemy got like 15 training camps and rushed disk throwers. My point is I think that Magic is a little weak but just stick 2 tech for a few more monthes and try magic and they are equal. Also, some peps suck all the time but most.....practice!!! Thank You!

[pafferguy]

Personally, I think tech is much stronger.  With tech, I win every time, but with magic I am hard pressed to win a 2-on-one game.  I think magic would be more balanced if golems used much less stone, enabling an effective defense system.

[-Archmage-]

One way to really learn how to play with the magic faction is to go on youtube and look up "glest magic vs tech" or something like that .

(for people who mess with the xml files, like me)

i usually make these changes to the magic faction:

tower of souls:projectiles faster, attack land as well as air
battlemage:faster ep regeneration
archmage:higher hp, and better ep regeneration

[modman]

This is a good point: Why does the Tower of Souls have such a slow particle proj?  They're useless against any intelligent human!

I think there should be a better defensive unit for Magic too.

[Omega]

The tower of souls is 100% useless. THe number of battlemages produced during that time is far faster at killing air units. I never even build tower of souls, I need all those resources for useful units.

[modman]

OK, then we've identified an obvious problem.  Faster particle proj?

[-Archmage-]

And i have a fix 
i spent hours on this so i hope it helps

          right now i am uploading it to a site put links to those downloads in the morning(for me at least)there are two files; the normal and the slightly smaller than normal file

                   slightly smaller version  http://www.mediafire.com/?rb4lzcmvuiz

                     normal versionhttp://www.mediafire.com/?rfj2miyiryc

          i tested cpu(ultra)-tech vs cpu(ultra)-magic- i have tried to get them even

and don't worry about tower of souls i fixed that up

tower of souls 4000hp
land air
100-200(instead of 150-250[i think])

[Omega]

Maybe no just faster particle projectiles, but cut the attack all together. Give it a land attack, otherwise its virtually useless.

In reply to some other posts, magic and tech are balanced if you know how to use them. I used to think magic was weaker than tech at first, but now I can easily take on ultra tech's alone without any trouble.

battlemage:faster ep regeneration
archmage:higher hp, and better ep regeneration

Totally DISAGREE. The battlemage has insane EP regen, I almost never run out, even against multiple ultra opponents. The archmage is supposed to be vulnerable, otherwise magic would be impossible to beat. No challenge is no fun.

[-Archmage-]

when i balanced them i did this to the archmage

4500max ep regen 50

450--->800didn't do that much to help him the archers still picked him off in 2 sec

he still got killed like he had 450hp

[modman]

Archmage101 is right about that Archmage thing.  At that point in the game, if you haven't enough archers or other form of defense to counter the Archmages, then you shouldn't be worrying about the increase in HP in the first place.

I don't like modifying stats to balance things though; that's boring.  Please see this topic for ideas on improvements.

Another reason that modifying stats isn't cool is that the previous makers of Magic (the Glest Team) thought that Magic was OK.  For this reason, we should leave those units be.

[Omega]

I stand by the fact that the archmage is balanced. You just need to know how to use it. (Magic is an advanced faction for experts)

[modman]

This is the problem!  The AI doesn't know how to use them!

[-Archmage-]

yah most of us humans know how but the AI just uses ice nova all the time
and when he's obviously going to die they just keep using ice nova instead of using static fire
cause what's the point of using the weaker move if your about to die and against
horseman they're nothing they get two hits and there dead but if they used static fire they might be able to bring the horseman with him when he dies

[Omega]

I can go against  dozen horsemen with just archamges and battlemages with only loses a couple (assuming I have an equal amount). Of course, it's easier if there is different types of foes (such as guards). I NEVER use static fire. EVER!

[-Archmage-]

well if your against groups then yah NEVER EVER use static fire but when your alone and you don't have people in front of your archmage then static fire comes into better use than ice nova

[meh]

I don't know, static fire is great against any air unit.  If you have like five archmages, almost all his air units are dead in one salvo, if you do it right.  And you can use archmages like suicide bombers, letting them use static fire to kill a bunch of his archers or battlemages in the back.  They won't have enough EP left, of course, so then they get killed, but after those archers are dead you move your dragons in and destroy him.  Still, I don't really use archmages that much, just battlemages, dragons, and magic armor for the most part.     

[Omega]

Heh, I would challene anyone to a battle in magic. I don't mean to boast, but I'd say I'm one of the best at magic (if not the best) on the board. Of course, I've never actually done a multiplayer, since the last time I did, my internet coughed and I got kicked...

[-Archmage-]

what i mean with the archmage is

YOU have one archmage and there's one ENEMY horseman coming at you

You have NO reinforcements and you are far from your camp

what do you???

[Omega]

Hmm, I've never been stuck in a situation like this. I always have these guys in groups no smaller than 32. I'm the kind of guy who attacks once in the game. That ends it. Nothing survives my attacks, which usually range from 48 to 72 units. Yeah, that's powerful. I attack bases once at a time, starting with the one with the most enemy units as revealed by my scouts. I build up an impenetrable defense early on, and usually keep my first base through the whole game. I always have at least 32 units in my base when attacking in case of a surprise by a seperate opponent.

If I got stuck in your situation... I'd let the little guy die, yeah, I'm pretty nasty. Just go back and work up another attack of 16.

[-Archmage-]

let me put it like this

you have one archmage, he's a legendary archmage and he has 1000ep and 100HP left

the Enemy has a castle and no defensive buildings, but they do have a horseman that has 650Hp

and if you let that guy die then the horseman will go to your camp and wipe out whatever is left;one mage tower;no workers;no defensive buildings/people

what do you do

[modman]

Omega, this is not the kind of play the AI was designed for.  It is designed for skirmishes, not blitzkrieg.

[Omega]

let me put it like this

you have one archmage, he's a legendary archmage and he has 1000ep and 100HP left

the Enemy has a castle and no defensive buildings, but they do have a horseman that has 650Hp

and if you let that guy die then the horseman will go to your camp and wipe out whatever is left;one mage tower;no workers;no defensive buildings/people

what do you do

If I ever get to this odd hypothetical situation, then, yes, I would use it. But then again, this is hypothetical after all...

Omega, this is not the kind of play the AI was designed for.  It is designed for skirmishes, not blitzkrieg.

Dude, when I fight multiple opponents, this is what I do. Although simple one on one matches allow me to be more crafty, although it gets a bit dull being crafty because the computer is sooo monotone. LOL.

[glest master]

yes i actually play better with the tech then magic becuz of the armor swordmans and the horsemans and techians stuff but then the magic have archmage but very low health that is why i play better tech better then magic.