Glestimals

[-Archmage-]

I suppose I could just tinker with the start/end frames, though that would mean that the last frame of the animation would be effect the starting frame of the next animation (in other words, you have to "reset" the skeleton's position every animation, something I've found annoying and a waste of time). Hmm, you merged them all? That could be helpful...how?

If you insert key frames for all the bones at the beginning of each action, then it works quite well actually.  The last frame of one animation doesn't have to be the first frame of the next.  If animation A ends on frame 10, just make animation B start on frame 11.

Why do that when you can have a separate action...

[John.d.h]

Why do that when you can have a separate action...

Convenience.  If you plan on re-using your actions with different units, then it can be better to keep them as separate actions.  If you're not, then it can be easier to keep them as one long chain instead of switching back and forth constantly.  Either way is fine, really.

[-Archmage-]

Why do that when you can have a separate action...

Convenience.  If you plan on re-using your actions with different units, then it can be better to keep them as separate actions.  If you're not, then it can be easier to keep them as one long chain instead of switching back and forth constantly.  Either way is fine, really.

I see, I just happen to prefer the orderly method, I used to do chains and they drove me nuts.

[ZaggyDad]

I see, I just happen to prefer the orderly method, I used to do chains and they drove me nuts.

Ditto.

~Zaggy1024

[silnarm]

I'll upload a zip of the all the Glestimals so far...
...
http://www.filedropper.com/glestimalsoct2010

Damn... I don't have this one, and the link is dead. Could you please re-upload, then I will add them to the repository.

[wciow]

Re-uploaded to mediafire:

http://www.mediafire.com/?ovu9frdxguia4lq

[charlieg]

Please don't forget to upload to OpenGameArt.org as it is a really useful pack for many game creators:
www.opengameart.org

[John.d.h]

Please don't forget to upload to OpenGameArt.org as it is a really useful pack for many game creators:
www.opengameart.org

Absolutely, I fully intend to do that once they're all animated.

[ultifd]

Where is this in git-master? I can't find it...

[Psychedelic_hands]

So this will make it in GAE 0.4  right?
Edit: just checked the trac... It says it's for 0.5... dang.

[John.d.h]

I was under the impression that engine-wise they were basically ready to go, so it's just the assets themselves that are unfinished.  I'd hazard a guess that if somebody animates some more of them, they might make it in a lot sooner.

[Psychedelic_hands]

I was under the impression that engine-wise they were basically ready to go, so it's just the assets themselves that are unfinished.  I'd hazard a guess that if somebody animates some more of them, they might make it in a lot sooner.

I thought that aswell... Can't we just add-in what is finished? and forget about the other animals for now?

[John.d.h]

As I recall, the spider is completely game-ready, and the bear and the wolf need just a little more work.  Unfortunately, my animation skills are a bit rusty and I've got a few too many irons in the fire already.

[Psychedelic_hands]

The glestimals can attack right? why not add in some rouge swordsmen, or wizards?

[wciow]

@hands - Thats up to the modders. I originally wanted Glestimals to wander round the map and maybe be killed as well, really just some nice eye candy to make maps more interesting (like AOE). Its seems that when(if?) they get implemented they will behave more like neutral units with a full set of unit tags.

If this is the case then Glestimals will just be a sort of basic set, with modders free to create their own types of neutral 'creeps' to suit their own mod packs.

Glestimals are almost totally complete. The only things that need doing are the animations for the wolf and a walk cycle for the deer. If no-one else steps up I will complete these myself but my animation skills are not great, there are several members here that are better animators 

[Zoythrus]

so, when glestimals are implemented, are we going to give them the AI's to follow? (or do they just wander around?)

my AI ideas are:

passive -the glestimal doesnt attack, no matter what you do to it

passive aggressive - it doesnt attack you unless you attack it, and will fight you in a small radius around it (the radius should be definable)

aggressive - it attacks anyone nearby, and will fight until either it or its target dies.

random - it switches between the three AI's randomly, making it rather unpredictable.

did i forget anything?

also, will glestimals ever be worth anything ingame? like, will we ever be able to kill a deer for food?

[Omega]

so, when glestimals are implemented, are we going to give them the AI's to follow? (or do they just wander around?)

my AI ideas are:

passive -the glestimal doesnt attack, no matter what you do to it

passive aggressive - it doesnt attack you unless you attack it, and will fight you in a small radius around it (the radius should be definable)

aggressive - it attacks anyone nearby, and will fight until either it or its target dies.

random - it switches between the three AI's randomly, making it rather unpredictable.

did i forget anything?

also, will glestimals ever be worth anything ingame? like, will we ever be able to kill a deer for food?

That sounds great. And I would certainly hope they could be able to give resources on death.

[ultifd]

Nice ideas Zoy, hopefully they will be implemented after the merge.

also, will glestimals ever be worth anything ingame? like, will we ever be able to kill a deer for food?

Hopefully. Tiger and Eliminator's Stranded Scenario could use that...

[Zoythrus]

what about for skirmishes? that would make things interesting.....

[wyvern]

I had an idea, its sort of related to the glestimals additions, why not have neutral farms/villages, you could pass by them without being attacked but if you attacked/tried to capture it, angry farmers of something would come out to attack you. I'm thinking of something along the lines of the warg/troll/goblin caves in BFME.

[Psychedelic_hands]

I had an idea, its sort of related to the glestimals additions, why not have neutral farms/villages, you could pass by them without being attacked but if you attacked/tried to capture it, angry farmers of something would come out to attack you. I'm thinking of something along the lines of the warg/troll/goblin caves in BFME.

I support, though... Does that mean they would be randomly placed? or would we make a new map object? would that be bad for balance?

[ZaggyDad]

Could someone re-upload the zip (on a site with no time limit for files)? MediaFire seems to have deleted the files 'cause they're so old.

~Zaggy1024

[Zoythrus]

do you guys think that Glestimals will be supported in 0.4? or will we have to wait for the Merge?

[treba]

do you think it would be possible to use glestimals for neutral building etc., too? they would just not wander around. in combination with a parameter for invulnerability as mentioned in this thread, it would solve the whole problem of custom neutral objects

[tucho]

my AI ideas are:

passive -the glestimal doesnt attack, no matter what you do to it

passive aggressive - it doesnt attack you unless you attack it, and will fight you in a small radius around it (the radius should be definable)

aggressive - it attacks anyone nearby, and will fight until either it or its target dies.

random - it switches between the three AI's randomly, making it rather unpredictable.

did i forget anything?

I'd add a 4th kind of AI:

evasive - it runs when there is someone nearby, like workers or units without attack (radius also can be definable)