Author Topic: Should we tune magic? (Read 29979 times)

wciow · « **Reply #125 on:** 21 December 2008, 11:29:44 »

Thats pretty cool. Gonna go model it now

modman · « **Reply #126 on:** 22 December 2008, 00:28:34 »

Yay :!: :!: Now any ideas on what to call it? Some kind of Demon?

verarticus · « **Reply #127 on:** 22 December 2008, 02:12:54 »

Quote from: "modman"

Yay :!: :!: Now any ideas on what to call it? Some kind of Demon?

Underbat! (worked for underdog X D )
darkwing
shadow flier
winged rat X D
thats all I got other than dracula and fuzzy gargole

horusofoz · « **Reply #128 on:** 22 December 2008, 03:42:06 »

Agramon - Demon of fear

source - http://www.spells4free.com/Article/demo ... e-job-/261

modman · « **Reply #129 on:** 23 December 2008, 03:02:20 »

What if the Daemon promoted to this:

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[img]http://theartofzac.com/goul800.jpg[/img]
Also maybe the Archmage could promote to either this:

or this:

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[img]http://images.elfwood.com/art/v/a/vangelis/warlock.jpg[/img]
Suggestions for an upgrade to allow the Archmage to promote?

prehistoricman · « **Reply #130 on:** 27 December 2008, 06:12:50 »

Alternately, instead of promoting the archmage, give the battlemage two promotion options with the second option being something like the second drawing. It would be a necromancer, with the ability to quickly summon zombies (slightly more expensive than daemons, with less health, but more attack, and slower). It would retain the same attack power of the battlemage.

verarticus · « **Reply #131 on:** 27 December 2008, 08:01:50 »

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Alternately, instead of promoting the archmage, give the battlemage two promotion options with the second option being something like the second drawing. It would be a necromancer, with the ability to quickly summon zombies (slightly more expensive than daemons, with less health, but more attack, and slower). It would retain the same attack power of the battlemage.

hm...necromacer has been taken by about eleven other things try again. I suggested a magic dark knight or something of the sort because now that I think about it deamon is used as the magic's "sworman" but the swordman is way stronger. and the ghost armor is the equal to the armoured knight (if not a bit better but thats the only magic unit thats better) and realy nothing in between.

Omega · « **Reply #132 on:** 28 December 2008, 00:42:12 »

There should be a building that produces a unit, and can be repeated over. There's way too much morphing. Perhaps produce a dark night from some new building after getting the hellgate upgrade?

modman · « **Reply #133 on:** 28 December 2008, 01:38:04 »

Yes, I totally agree with you Omega. The AI just doesn't know how to handle morphing. There's been plenty of times I've seen a Battlemage promote during a battle, then get killed off. That's bad because they lose both the unit and the resources invested to promote. I propose a barracks-type building, but it would produce later-game military.

For the unit I propose a pentagram for this building.

Hopefully you can see the picture; I know there's been an error linking to images as of late.

And also:

Some more art by Tucho. I would call it a thrasher.

Omega · « **Reply #134 on:** 28 December 2008, 01:44:01 »

I can actually see it. I've been having trouble seeing the ones uploaded to the glest board. The ones that are either mediafire or imageshack links are good though. Not sure I understand the pentagram though...

modman · « **Reply #135 on:** 28 December 2008, 01:56:11 »

It's magical I don't think you want to know what it means, and some hardcore sorcery practicer would probably tell you it's a secret or something.

There's sorcery information here <--OK never mind, that's for some game.

modman · « **Reply #136 on:** 1 January 2009, 01:38:42 »

I think it would be alright to leech ideas off of Gods Dawn since there was never a beta released. Objections?
Good. Then how about that model of the Daemon on a cross for a unit in Magic? Also I cannot remember other ideas right now, but I know there are some.
How about an Angel (renamed to something better of course) for Magic?

I found this image on google of some game:

Some ideas could come from here.

Omega · « **Reply #137 on:** 1 January 2009, 21:38:07 »

Thats a lot of great ideas. I wonder what game it was on?
Warhall and champions guild in tech, Monastry and sanctuary for magic, hall of enchantment, wizards tower, and casting chamber are great ideas. I wonder if this game would have units too...

EDIT// I copied the link of the image and found the game is called Age of Wonders II Heaven. Looks like a pretty good game. It's got modpacks, an active community and more.

http://aow2.heavengames.com/
I don't think its really better than Glest, but I can't say for sure, since it looks like its a P2P game, and I can't find a download page...

modman · « **Reply #138 on:** 3 January 2009, 02:44:40 »

I tested, and a Tech CPU can beat a Magic CPU-ultra. That's BAD.

verarticus · « **Reply #139 on:** 3 January 2009, 05:31:54 »

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I tested, and a Tech CPU can beat a Magic CPU-ultra. That's BAD.

It's got to also be the horsemen. (they get them fast and many and they REALY good)

modman · « **Reply #140 on:** 4 January 2009, 04:34:40 »

How about making them organic-armored instead of metal (I think it's metal; if it's organic I'll kick myself).
A Guard should also be less powerful. Not more expensive; that is just a delay and limiter.

gameboy · « **Reply #141 on:** 5 January 2009, 10:30:12 »

I got a suggestion for another unit, a siege one with massive strength against buildings and melee.
A huge ram sized unit, something like a rhino, it could be called Helzemolisher or Stone Crusher or Rathzvog.
along with this we could add another building called Hell Gate or Underworld Portal, personally i'd rather go with the latter, cause i want to keep all the Satanic stuff to minimum, it could spawn the Behemoth and the unit above, if this implemented then we'll have to remove the Wicker Behemoth, and i would also like the Summoner to summon this.
Concept Art will come as soon as i have time.

RTSman · « **Reply #142 on:** 11 January 2009, 04:00:39 »

Why you want to make a hell gate when that is upgrade in library. Magic needs something like archmages attack power but with more HP. I dont like the morphing in magic that why magic is weaker. it should be made in the wizard tower. modman showed the image of that game why cant there be a farcaster hall or maybe the unit i mentioned be a farcaster.

modman · « **Reply #143 on:** 14 January 2009, 03:12:51 »

Magic could use a little high-power defence. How about some kind of enchanted tower for defence? (Yea I know there's a Tower of Souls!)

modman · « **Reply #144 on:** 16 January 2009, 01:25:38 »

I think it would be nice to see a centaur for Magic. The Summoner could summon it, and it could fight with an axe and be slower than a Horseman but higher HP and armor. Also it could have a dangerous air attack.

Omega · « **Reply #145 on:** 16 January 2009, 05:00:27 »

An AXE?!?!?
Is this a joke?
Centaur's are always bows. Maybe an axe could be a secondary weapon, but centaur's are know for the bow.

John.d.h · « **Reply #146 on:** 16 January 2009, 06:16:13 »

Quote from: omega on 16 January 2009, 05:00:27

An AXE?!?!?
Is this a joke?
Centaur's are always bows. Maybe an axe could be a secondary weapon, but centaur's are know for the bow.

I think that's a more contemporary thing, though. I don't think centaurs of classical mythology were known for any specific weapon any more than any other. All the paintings I've seen of centaurs fighting, they were drunkenly brawling hand-to-hand anyway. They were known for being violent savage drunks (Chiron was a notable exception), so an axe or a big club or something like that would be pretty fitting in my opinion. Centaurs don't seem very fitting for Magic, though. They're more into the demonic creatures than the animalistic ones.

gameboy · « **Reply #147 on:** 16 January 2009, 06:31:23 »

how about the unit i suggested? I would look pretty much like a rhino, and to all 'Age of Mythology Titans ex' fans the Atlantean (correct spelling?) Behemoth(not the Behemoth from Glest)

Quote from: RTSman on 11 January 2009, 04:00:39

Why you want to make a hell gate when that is upgrade in library. Magic needs something like archmages attack power but with more HP. I dont like the morphing in magic that why magic is weaker. it should be made in the wizard tower. modman showed the image of that game why cant there be a farcaster hall or maybe the unit i mentioned be a farcaster.

The Hell Gate upgrade will be removed and changed into a building to support this unit.

modman · « **Reply #148 on:** 17 January 2009, 03:00:24 »

I think the theme of Magitech is more like Tech being, of course a fantasized rendition of medieval Europe (namely the Britain and France area) and Magic being everything that was in the fairy tales of the time (not to be mixed up with fairy tales that take plce in that time period!) and so this includes mages, witches (summoners) and of course dragons. This is why centaurs, and a new suggestion, minotaurs I think are fitting pieces.

Also a quick google image search found centaurs with bows, axes, swords, and spears, so there's no real pattern except they're bellicose.

modman · « **Reply #149 on:** 27 January 2009, 04:04:37 »

Since Martino is no longer working on Glest, maybe we should think about what goals we want to set as of the next version of Glest. I think I'm mostly talking about new units that should be implemented. If all goes right, a Centaur is a given; there's already someone working on that. I am now thinking of a new unit for Magic: a basilisk. It could morph from a basilisk egg, and the egg could be summoned by the Summoner. Truthfully, the problem with Magic right now, though is that there is an excess of units in early and late game, and a huge gap (especially for the no thinking ahead AI) in the middle game. Units that can be acquired at that time is where ideas should be focused.

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