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« Reply #1000 on: 27 February 2010, 17:37:23 »
CRABS are VERTEBRATE! So are shrimps, ...
You're thinking of molluscs (invertebrate) AND crustaceans (vertebrate). ;)

EDIT: Erm, nevermind. I just made a complete fool out of myself! ;D ;D ;D
Crustaceans ARE INVERTEBRATE. ;D
*whew* I was worried for a moment!  At least I got to spend some time reading up on arthropods on Wikipedia.  I haven't read a book in years, but when I get started on a good wiki article, I can spend days reading related articles.

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« Reply #1001 on: 1 March 2010, 00:10:45 »
Does anyone have the php script for the world map builder for kallen.

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« Reply #1002 on: 1 March 2010, 01:09:31 »
I just found a really good article explaining why 'gaps' in the fossil record aren't actually such a problem:
http://www.creationtheory.org/Arguments/Discontinuities.xhtml

I'll try to summarize.  Even though some fossils may be absent (and they should), it doesn't mean scientists don't see a pattern in the fossils they do see.  See the image below?  It's pixelated.

Does this mean that there is no pattern?  Certainly not.  Any human (and some bots, too!) could see the resemblance to the original image.


//EDIT: Watched a great debate between Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron (two Christian apologists) and two members of the "Rational Response Squad".  Result: Ray and Kirk, as expected, got schooled.  Ray set the bar too high for himself though: he thought he could prove the existence of a god scientifically.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-rKiGJrcNw
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« Reply #1003 on: 1 March 2010, 01:26:31 »
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Improving but still incomplete picture of the fossil record.
Incomplete, when I ask will it be complete? NEVER! This is no proof of anything.
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« Reply #1004 on: 1 March 2010, 02:03:06 »
How many of Colonel Mustard's fingerprints do you need on the lead pipe to know that he beat Professor Plum to death with it?

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« Reply #1005 on: 1 March 2010, 04:41:32 »
How many of Colonel Mustard's fingerprints do you need on the lead pipe to know that he beat Professor Plum to death with it?
Your accusation is not valid because you didn't say in which room this alleged event took place! I myself have strong suspicions about Ms. Scarlet with the rope in the Dining Room! Show me your evidence!

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« Reply #1006 on: 1 March 2010, 05:22:30 »
I've always thought the word "colonel" had a weird spelling/pronunciation combo.

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« Reply #1007 on: 1 March 2010, 13:07:47 »
Modman, it just doesn't matter whether you think you have proof or not, first you have to have a good theory, the theory of Evolution has never come out of your mouth... :P
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« Reply #1008 on: 1 March 2010, 17:13:29 »
Just tell us, Is your grate grate grate... grandpa a rock?  :D
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« Reply #1009 on: 2 March 2010, 01:54:15 »
I just wrote about this today on another forum (the Christian Debate forum), so I hope you'll excuse me if I save myself the unnecessary effort of recopying it, and just C&P:

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There are three intrinsic properties of life (at least three, I guess). All organisms that possess these properties will evolve. This is a fact.

1) Everything that is living will die.
2) Animals who are unsuited to their environment will die faster, meaning they produce fewer offspring.
3) Child generations are different than their parents.

Do you deny any of these properties? If so, which ones, and most importantly, why?

The reason that watches and everything else which is created (i.e. not life) does not evolve is simple: watches do not die or reproduce, and are thus not subject to natural selection.

The actual url of the page is this, if you care.  I edited some parts to make a little more sense (and be logically sound).

I'll provide links of evidence now:
1) Everything dies.
2) Organisms who are suited to their environment live longer to produce more offspringThe converse is also true.
3) Offspring are different than their parents.
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« Reply #1010 on: 3 March 2010, 03:56:12 »
You are right there, but the problem for you is that Evolution itself doesn't work! :P
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« Reply #1011 on: 3 March 2010, 19:50:41 »
Then you don't need to be afraid from any viruses anymore, since they don't evolve. Have no fear :P

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« Reply #1012 on: 3 March 2010, 22:03:54 »
You are right there, but the problem for you is that Evolution itself doesn't work! :P

Let's break this down for analysis a bit (and I apologize to all whose intelligence I insult by doing this).  In the quoted post are two ideas:
1) that everything I stated in my post (we assume that's who "you" is) is agreed upon
2) that evolution does not occur, regardless of #1

Having stated above that nothing which does not die, reproduce with mutation, and have an amount of offspring in direct relationship with the length of life (per species) will not evolve, we can conclude (as stated above as well) that things which are created do not evolve.  This leaves two alternatives before the final criteria: that life was created in present form and thus does not evolve or even adapt to its environment (adaptation, if spread to offspring genetically, is evolution), or that no life was "created", but evolved and differentiated to better fit Earth's varied habitats.

The final criteria is whether life was created or not.  Until scientists give a definitive answer to this abiogenetical question, the burden of proof still lies with the ID proponent, to give an example of life being designed, and also to produce the initial designer (an enormously difficult task, because it is not often that a life-initiator is coaxed out of hiding :P).

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« Reply #1013 on: 3 March 2010, 22:51:31 »
the burden of proof still lies with the ID proponent
... and why do you say that?

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« Reply #1014 on: 3 March 2010, 23:13:49 »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof#Holder_of_the_burden

ID proponents are making the claim that there exists an intelligent designer.  If scientists say that abiogenesis is up in the air, ID proponents still have a proposal of an intelligent designer.  This is their claim.

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« Reply #1015 on: 4 March 2010, 00:50:17 »
The burden of proof is on whomever is making a claim.  You're making just as much of a claim by saying evolution exists as someone saying God exists, so you have just as much of a burden of proof.

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« Reply #1016 on: 5 March 2010, 04:08:19 »
The burden of proof is on whomever is making a claim.  You're making just as much of a claim by saying evolution exists as someone saying God exists, so you have just as much of a burden of proof.

And if the longer statement I wrote before on March 1 was not evidence at all, I would not be supporting the theory.

The burden of proof is not so much to prove something absolutely, but to support it better than the opposition.  If I saw planets with life being created there in present form, I would constitute that as equal and opposing evidence, but alas, no such events are observed.

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« Reply #1017 on: 5 March 2010, 05:48:54 »
Granted, you have presented some good points for your case.  However, I'm still at odds with what I see as a baseless assumption that the burden of proof lies on one side more than the other.



Anyway, has anyone seen either of the Blender open movie projects?  They're both available for free from the Blender Foundation under Creative Commons licenses.  I downloaded them the other day and I'm glad I did, because they're fantastic.

The first is "Elephants Dream", which is a mind-bending short about two men exploring what appears to be a mechanical dream world.  Personally, I'm really into what I call "imagination flicks", the kind that transport the viewer into another world, immersive and alien.  Examples include "What Dreams May Come", "Gwai Wik" aka "Re-cycle" (my favorite movie of all time), and to a lesser extent "The Cell".  If this animated short were made into a feature-length film, it would surely be one of my favorites.  As it is, it's a great way to spend about 10 minutes of your life, and also a pretty impressive testament to what Blender can do.


The second is "Big Buck Bunny", which is a comedic short about woodland creatures invading the title character's territory, and his revenge.  I'm not normally a huge cartoon fan, but this film is one of the funniest I've seen in a long time.  There's no dialogue, but believe me that it doesn't need it.  The animation quality is the same as you would expect from high-end motion picture studios like Pixar and Dreamworks from a few years ago (e.g. "Monsters, Inc."), and really solidifies Blender as an industry-quality animation program.  If you liked the squirrel scenes in the "Ice Age" movies, then "Big Buck Bunny" is right up your alley.  It's also fun for the whole family.

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« Reply #1018 on: 5 March 2010, 12:49:25 »
I'd seen elephant dream but not big buck bunny (until now, good stuff). I'm looking forward to seeing how the "Durian" project turns out. Something with some fantasy and action is bound to be a challenge. I hope they've got a good foley artist.

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« Reply #1019 on: 5 March 2010, 16:58:51 »
Does anyone know why the reason we have like 60-50 guests on and 5-7 users all day?

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« Reply #1020 on: 6 March 2010, 01:23:26 »
Does anyone know why the reason we have like 60-50 guests on and 5-7 users all day?
Because...Glest is not that popular, if it is people would rather not open up a account and post...
Half or more of the guests are bots...
So...yeah.
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« Reply #1021 on: 8 March 2010, 22:27:31 »
I realy liked Big Buck bunny!  :D
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« Reply #1022 on: 8 March 2010, 22:29:25 »
Big Buck Bunny was great, my Dad loved it and so did I! ;D
It's got a really inspiring soundtrack! :D
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« Reply #1023 on: 9 March 2010, 03:19:15 »
I don't think this one was made with blender, but it is still an amazing indy project. It's called Pigeon Impossible and is very funny. It took a guy five years for six minutes of video. No dialogue, but great audio and fantastic *VERY* professional animation!

I too, am not a fan of cartoons, but this made me laugh, even on the third view. ;D
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« Reply #1024 on: 9 March 2010, 03:46:38 »
Why don't you post  link to it then? I would like to see it.
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