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[-Archmage-]

You call what you just said proof, you obviously don't know much about evolution or genetics!(Or logic)
There is no way to prove that God exists except if you experience him yourself, or he tells you.
God is omnipotent, and omniscient, we're just Humans, but then you go into quantum physics........it's to far ahead to tell, we need to first survive Obama and his drones before we really make some progress in Scientific matters.
I can't prove God to you, but I can try to disprove evolution. The only problem is you guys have to much faith in evolution!

[assassin]

Back down? When hell freezes over (not that it exists  )

I third that, and you've yet to provide any proof, I posted the name of a movie that's loaded with proof.

Yeah, I might watch that, I'm into comedies.

Evolution led to an understanding that certain people were not as valuable as others, that's racist.
I think evolution is one of the reasons for abortion, evolution gives the idea that life is worthless!
Abortion is the MURDER of babies before they're born.

Great imply that everybody who believes in evolution is a supporter of murder. Nice one. Lot's of evolutionists are against abortion too, so stop trying to drag in other issues please.
Also the church isn't exactly nice the whole time either. For example, they are sexist because they don't appoint women to high positions. Also, have you heard about what went on with catholic priest and children in Ireland? Not nice.

I have to say Assassin that I am offended by you saying sentience is just a chemical reaction, I know I'm sentient, I know I know how to 3d model, I figured that out because of my will to learn.

OK, your a chemical reaction which thinks it's sentiment. You'll have a hard time trying to prove any more than that to anyone else though.

The theory of evolution as I understand it:

Or rather, don't understand it.

A solar ray hits one of the sperm inside a male animal/Human and scrambles the genetic code, and then when he impregnates a female that little sperm gets to the egg first, and that female has some offspring that are different from the rest of it's species.
Now I really don't see how scrambling the genetic code would bring about any improvements.

You people don't seem to get how f*cking large the Human Genome is, if you put it in word/numbers, it would be at least 5000 times as long as the current distance between the moon and the earth. Now let's take the Glest source-code which is microscopic compared to the Human genome, so let's say you scrambled the Glest source-code. You really think it would be bug free, and have improvements! I think it wouldn't even run!

People have calculated what the chance is of the evolutionary process actually happening

So the way I see it, EVOLUTION CLAIMS THAT EVERYTHING I AM CAME ABOUT BY RANDOM CHANCE! That doesn't seem to add up for me.......

No, no, no, no, no. Your argument is somewhat typical of people who are ignorant of evolution trying to argue against it. Evolution is saying that life is a very rare occurrence (We only know of it occurring once). And then life changing in small ways most of the time. for example, a two inch longer neck might allow a herbivore to get at more leaves, making it more successful and having a better chance of breeding. Life has had billions of years to evolve into humans. If think about it, it's not so amazing that some form of "self-aware" beings came into existence eventually.

You want any more proof against evolution or are you going to back down?

So your saying that I'm going to back down from defending one of the most important ideas in existance just because you swear about a lot?

[assassin]

You call what you just said proof, you obviously don't know much about evolution or genetics!(Or logic)

So your saying that the lies you've been told about evolution by people trying to "protect you" from "nasty evolutionists" are the truth about evolution. I'm actually sorry for you.

There is no way to prove that God exists except if you experience him yourself, or he tells you.

Well then, I believe in the flying spaghetti monster. Try to disprove his existance.
 

God is omnipotent, and omniscient,

Ohh.. Nice paradox.

How can an omniscient god find the omnipotence to change that which he already knows?

Can God create a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift it? If he can, then the rock is now unliftable, limiting God's power. But if he cannot, then he is still not omnipotent.

I can't prove God to you

Them why the hell do you believe in him? doesn't seem like thee act of a "sentient" or "intelligent" being to me.

, but I can try to disprove evolution. The only problem is you guys have to much faith in evolution!

I don't call it faith. I call it certainty.

I am going to ignore the comment about Obama. I mean, the US get a good president who creats a more equal society and free health care and half of you Americans hate him.

P.S: Getting a ps3 tomorrow!

[-Archmage-]

Ok, it's hopeless to argue with you, you just don't listen to me.
Your faith is too great to sway, you call the truth comedy, you support Barrack Obama which is DESTROYING THE COUNTRY!!!

I will listen to your claims of evolution....if you can provide any real proof.
Like maybe, instead of saying your wrong tell me what you think is right.

Questions to everybody: HOW DOES EVOLUTION WORK? PROOF? EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COULD POSSIBLY HELP?

[Gabbe]

spaghetti Monster...

good one assasin  

oh so f**ing funny
but also, good argument

"nast evolutiosonists" great! your a comedy genius!

Positive respond*

[Gabbe]

uhhh, haven`t i already told you how evolution work?

Proof for evolution is everywere. if a human baby is born, will it then look exact like its mother or father? most likely it will be completely different. w0t? evolution happened?!?!?! reight here? omg?

well not completely different, but thas how it works, also. evolution works that the most adapted one gets to breed, causing a specie to change after different needs over million, perhaps bilion years

[assassin]

Ok, it's hopeless to argue with you, you just don't listen to me.

I don't think we're the ones not listening. You have offered no proof whatsoever yet for god.

Your faith is too great to sway

If you mean I'm not going to listen to a twelve year old who is pretty arrogant about his belief without even giving the reason why, then you'd be right.

, you call the truth comedy, you support Barrack Obama which is DESTROYING THE COUNTRY!!!

That's right, I find these attempts for creationist Americans to justify what they only believe because there parents made them downright hilarious. And so creating a society which cares about poor people is bad is it? Hmm, ever actually read the bible?

I will listen to your claims of evolution....if you can provide any real proof.
Like maybe, instead of saying your wrong tell me what you think is right.

Interesting the way you seem only to be reading the parts of our posts which suit you.

Questions to everybody: HOW DOES EVOLUTION WORK? PROOF? EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COULD POSSIBLY HELP?

Having an open mind?

[Omega]

Ok, I'm going to end this right now and change the topic. Not because I don't like the discussion (I believe in the theory of CREATION, though there may be minor evolution of man and animals in the process [such as the advancements of man from the Tower of Babel to the CN Tower), but simply because this will never end. Believe what you will, but don't expect to change others.

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Ok, remember some time ago when I wanted to create my own game? Developement is well under way, but I need some serious testing. Firstly, here is the  very basic demo. There's only one level, a castle, and a town (as well as the overworld). It is by no means finished. The perspective of the battle system is likely to change, as is some graphics. You can only progress up to the point where you talk to the governor, and after that, nothing else is programmed, so returning to the cave won't do anything, however, it is fully functional up to that point. The cutscene with the governor is not complete, and is missing the change of scene, but that will come soon, and does not impare gameplay.

This is the END OF THE WORLD and you can download it here!

[-Archmage-]

Omega, I thought you were an evolutionist.
I do agree that minor evolution takes place.
This argument must come to an end, one way or another.

I'm making an effort here, can you stop laughing and try to get involved!
You can't prove evolution, you can't think logically.
For you information I read all posts. I just don't know what to tell you.
You won't listen, I make efforts and all you do if sit on your butt and laugh! Respond logically! But you can't because evolution doesn't work so the only way for you to win is to use some strategy to get me angry and then complain about me being angry and end the discussion, I can tell you I'm calm as hell. I'd like to not be called arrogant when I'm just trying to debate something, and someone keep ignoring facts, and continues to force me to say things in different ways.

You evolutionists panic when you can't win, and you start to ignore as much as possible.
Could somebody please "explain" evolution, instead of just saying there's a baby and it looks like papy.

Assassin, is there any way that I can't get you to watch The Mysterious Islands?

[Gabbe]

nice video argue,,,

calm as hell... not rely calm? you seem totally desperate...

how can i explain evolution more than i already have done!?!?

[-Archmage-]

calm as hell... not rely calm? you seem totally desperate...

I'm calm........just trying to prove some points.

how can i explain evolution more than i already have done!?!?

What are you talking about?
You haven't explained it at all!
I don't want the superficial crap, I want the core science that it's based on.

[assassin]

@Omega I don't thing this is going to stop. Make a separate thread for this an I'll use it. Archmage, there is no way I'm paying for some crappy dvd made up by desperate creationists. I will never stop arguing against religion as I find it deeply disturbing the way children are made to believe in god, rather than have free choice to think logically. I really am sorry for you, archmage, you clearly have had someone make you believe in god.

[assassin]

Core science... Um, people aren't the same as their parents?
Squirrels in America and Europe which have been separated for thousands of generations are now genetically different animals?
There are dinosaur fossils?

[-Archmage-]

Nobody made me believe, I chose to believe in God, for a time I wondering about
evolution, but evolution just doesn't add up.
Once you get down to the core science it doesn't make any sense.
On the other hand I have heard tons of stories of different things happening to people.
A scientist was traveling with two other people on a mountain, a storm came and they didn't have time to get off the mountain, all three were struck by lightning and they rolled a long way down the hill. This scientist was paralyzed from the waist down, and the other two were worse off. He met God on that mountain, his legs were fixed and he saved the other two.
I heard this story from the scientist. He didn't look half-paralyzed to me.

[assassin]

I love your idea of proof. Some crappy story that, for all I know, you've just made up. Also I don't believe that you chose to believe in god. Do your parents go to church?

[-Archmage-]

Nope, and I'm not going to take the shit from you!
If you knew me, you'd know that I don't let people tell me my religion or what to believe.
If I didn't believe in God my parents would be very surprised and my Dad would probably get depressed.
I have the right to choose what I believe, whether you believe that or not.

[Gabbe]

nice admit that you have ben convinced to belive in god, without proof, but okay, your stupidity

[Gabbe]

What makes you think god would care about a small little planet on the outeredge of a relativel small galaxy???????

[-Archmage-]

Cause he created it.

[-Archmage-]

Omega, I played your game. Nice, but why not 3D?

[assassin]

I think we should agree to disagree.
Sorry to hear about your dad, but you are entitled to a free choice in life.

[-Archmage-]

I do have a free choice.
I agree to disagree.

[Gabbe]

ok, we belive eachother to  wrong ina  right way

[Hectate]

Omega, I played your game. Nice, but why not 3D?

3D isn't best for everything, plus it adds to development time and quantity of resources needed. Think, would pacman or centipede be any better in 3D?

I haven't played it yet but I'll give it a shot later if it's Windows compatible. Yes?

Oh, and what did you use to make it? I'l' want to know that sooner or later too. lol

[John.d.h]

Somebody say something about free will?
http://www.lloydianaspects.co.uk/evolve/freewill.html

Okay, since you're asking about what the very core of evolution is, here goes.  In a group of organisms, some will have different genes than others.  These genes affect whether or not the organism will survive and reproduce.  If it doesn't survive and reproduce, then its genes will not be passed on.  If it does survive and reproduce, its gene will be passed on.  The offspring of these organisms will once again have different genes.  Some will survive and reproduce and some will not, therefor passing on different genes than their parental generation.  This process repeats itself ad infinitum until/unless the species dies out.  While the changes from one generation to the next are very smell, the changes over many generations can be much larger, like the difference between a human and an oak tree.

Here's an example.  Imagine there is some kind of deer-like animal, and some live on the African grassland while some migrate to somewhere in Europe.  Some of these deer have a gene (or more likely, a group of genes) that makes them fat, and some have a gene that makes them skinny.  Down in Africa, along come a group of predators who begin to prey upon the deer.  Most of the deer that have the gene that makes them fat are too slow and they get eaten by lions, so only the deer with the skinny gene survive.  These skinny deer reproduce and pass on their skinny genes, while the fat deer die and don't get to pass on their fat genes.  Now, the deer in Africa tend to be rather skinny.  Meanwhile in Europe, an ice age hits and most of the skinny deer die because they're not very well insulated.  However, the fat deer survive because they're insulated from the cold.  Now, the deer in Europe tend to be rather fat.  Even though both groups of deer started off the same, the African deer are different from the European deer.  Fast forward a little bit, and let's say some of the deer have a gene for small antlers and some have a gene for big antlers.  The deer in Africa survive by being fast enough to outrun the local predators like lions and cheetahs, so the deer with big antlers get weighed down too much and can't run very fast.  The deer with big antlers get eaten, and the deer with small antlers escape and survive to pass on their genes.  The deer in Europe are kinda big and fat to protect themselves from the winter, so their predators (wolves, for example) can easily outrun them.  This means that the European deer need a different way to defend themselves, so the ones with small antlers get eaten and the ones with big antlers survive.  Now, the African deer are skinny and have little antlers, and the European deer are fat and have big antlers.  From the one original group, we have two separate species, each with traits that allowed them to survive and pass on their genetic material.

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