The way it was ment to be...

[ElimiNator]

[John.d.h]

I see you're learning more about using Blender for more than just Glest models (backgrounds, scenery, etc).

[Mark]

That could just have been a background photoshopped in.  But nevertheless, it looks fantastic.

[Omega]

Ha. I am a bit confused, but I think you are implying glest is best on linux? So why is the official download link a windows binary?

Linux just isn't for me. I know squat about it, and the last time I tried, it erased my entire HDD! No, me and tux just don't get along. I mean, me and mario, maybe, but my icy little friend is just a bit distant to me.

Although that ice does look addicting. We must be the only place other than BC that is hot right now. LOL.

Honestly though, most computers have windows installed, and windows has the compatibility advantage, as well as a more popular file system, and really the only disadvantages are crashing and speed, which I solve through my personal modifications. Haven't crashed for a long time (not counting program crashes [blender]). My last crash was from stupidity. One must NOT close a laptop lid while playing a fullscreen game on my computer or my graphics card will crash. Speed can be improved by messing with start up programs, various small tweaks, having a decent computer instead of a crappy one, running less programs, closing the sidebar, substituting microsoft applications with 3rd party ones, and more. Not to mention windows looks good!

[ElimiNator]

To say the least Linux looks good to. (Mabe just a tad beter then windows?)
And best of all its FREE!
Yes FREE! (I see you getting faint .)

And gues what... all the programs that are meant for Linux, Ya your with me so far They are FREE! to!

Ooops he couldn't handle it...   

[-Archmage-]

Yah Windows costs money and Windows is really slow.

Linux is the way to go.

[Omega]

The only problem is, while it may be free, odds are, you'll get a computer with windows already installed (though if your computer has a mac OS installed, feel free to delete it and replace it with Linux ). In fact, there isn't a single store in my entire province that sells OS less computers. So special order only, and the cost of that really kinda negates it, not to mention the hassle.

Besides you can't put a price on compatibility (ok, maybe you can, but not a marginal $120).

I am never going to touch linux again. Ever. We don't get along. Really. I like my files, and I think I'll keep them.

[ElimiNator]

Linux is fine for me and its the fad of the future. Come on now, You really like paying money for stuff?

Since you like it so much, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PAY ME $5.00 TO DOWNLOAD A FACTION THAT I MAKE?

Or do you stick with free?

[wciow]

Ok against my better judgement, heres my take on the Linux/Windows thing:

*wciow froths wildly around the mouth and begins to rant...*

Linux is a great operating system if you are a someone who enjoys playing with your system, changing things and finding out how stuff works.

Unfortunately this is no good for the average user who just wants things to run and be easy. How many friends/family do you know who are confident to work from the command line in windows?

I still use Windows for most stuff. I have tried lots of Linux ditrubutions and liked them. There were plenty of things that I thought were better than windows and I loved the ability to change any part of my OS from the Kernel up.

However the one thing that held me back was games. Despite the claims of the Wine project, compatibility for Games in Linux is still pretty poor. Most Linux users will blame MS at this point for causing a monopoly in the market, but the simple fact is that no publisher is going to allow their pet studio to make a Linux port for a bare handful of users.

When I buy a game I want it to go into the CD drive, install and run. I don't want to spend half a day browsing forums, downloading patches and fixes and then being able to run the game with 'minor bugs that don't effect playability'. MS offers me the first option, Linux the second.

Just to be clear there is no 'right' or 'wrong' OS in this discussion, both have their merits, however its plain to see why Windows/MS still have a huge market share over Linux despite nearly two decades of a 'free alternative'. Yes its partly about MS having a monopoly on the market but also the fact that they offer simplicity to 'joe average'.

*wciow collapses theatrically having ranted too hard*

[Omega]

Very, very well said Wciow. Fully agreed, though I am still too afraid to go near linux (it raped me )...

*wciow collapses theatrically having ranted too hard*

Get well soon. The glest board needs your strong window-linux wisdom.

To note though, windows can be more customizable with various upgrades and such. As I said, I rarely crash, and lag isn't too common, and 9 times out of 10, it's from me doing something (ie: click happy).

Or we can use the power of numbers. The max filesize is 2⁶⁴ - 2¹⁰ = 16EiB - 1KiB

16,777,216 TiB
17,179,869,184 GiB
17,592,186,044,416 MiB
18,014,398,509,481,984 KiB
18,446,744,073,709,550,592 bytes

Hmm, I wonder how much music I could fit in this...?

Ok, that was all pointless numbers that are totally useless in reality. There is no way to store a file that huge because we don't have the hardware...

It's pretty hard to find an impartial comparison. Even Wikipedia isn't perfect, but it's good enough:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Windows_and_Linux

*wciow froths wildly around the mouth and begins to rant...*

Hmm, is that normal? Sounds a lot like symptoms of rabies....

[ElimiNator]

There is lots of user frendly stuff on linux and if you got all the free games on the net men't for linux (And windows some times.) (Like Glest...)you would have no probs.

And windows has been around for way longer then linux to they have been able to warp your brain..
Ok Vista is VERY bad no?

[modman]

Personally, I like Vista.  I've been tweaking it to work for me.  Vista works the way I want it to.  I said, forget the stupid, ugly taskbar.  I got Object Dock.  I use Firefox.  I have Open Office.  I use Audacity.  And we all use Blender, not 3Ds Max, I think.

I like the spirit of Linux; I think that free software can only be good for me, but I don't really have the nerve to switch OSes.  But I'm not saying I expect that all my files would be deleted...

[ElimiNator]

I don't really have the nerve to switch OSes.

I know what you mean, I didn't ever think I was going to switch wen linux first came out.

[Platyhelminth]

In fact, computers sucks, they all wash your brain even when it is not intended.

Being paralysed in front of your screen during hours is not good for your health.

Do more SPORT.

[Mark]

I think that many poeple share your opinions, wciow.  Many less computer savvy users and satisfied customers don't like the idea of switching OS's.  Then there is how there is NO advertising for Linux, and most games that you pay for are windows-mac games.  That leaves you with the stock of free downloadable games.  Sadly, Glest is the only good 3D rts game out there.  (Although I don't know about Spring, because it keeps crashing on my computer.)

[-Archmage-]

Ok, you people don't seem to get it. If you have access to a browser, you can download Linux, and burn it to a CD. Then you buy computer parts from Newegg, when they come carefully put them together. Make sure you buy a CD-DVD re-writable drive, and put the CD-DVD in it, and INSTALL LINUX, trust me it's not hard at all, done it at least 2 times.

If you don't have a browser at home go to a neighbor or friend, there are computers all over the world.

[Platyhelminth]

Ha. I am a bit confused, but I think you are implying glest is best on linux? So why is the official download link a windows binary?

Yes, I have the 2 systems in the same computer and glest works better in linux (in various points). As far I know martino and glest team originally made this game for windows (that is why the site link to a windows binary), so this is even more strange.

[assassin]

Linux is THE best OS for customisation. You can modify the kernel itself if you want to  .

[-Archmage-]

Linux is always getting better, while Windows is just repairing all the crap it makes.

[Omega]

I still stand by windows. Yes, linux is more customizable. Yes, linux is safer, due to less security risks (though honestly, computer safety is measured in human stupidity. A stupid human visits bad sites, has no firewall, has no antivirus, and is plain stupid, and thus gets lots of viruses. The smart computer user [like me] knows what he/she is doing and does it safely). Yes linux is faster due to less services running (though advanced users like me can once again speed things up by getting rid of crap like the 100% useless sidebar, preventing the chockload of startup programs, a number of smaller tweaks, stopping some processes, tweaking windows to run explorer windows as separate processes, etc;).

However, the compatibility is still the main issue here. 99% of all commercial games (CIV IV!!!) are for windows, and sometimes Mac. since 90% of all personal computers and 66% of all developer computers are windows, this makes sense (to me). I like linux's freeness, since linux can be used inside windows via virtualization if needed, and the andLinux program can be used to run ubuntu programs inside windows.

The fact that a large number of other programs are linux only, free or commercial. Closed source is very popular still, and thus usually windows only. Much hardware is windows only, and linux drivers may be harder (or impossible) to get. Linux also requires broadband internet to download, though some offer discs, it is generally in need of high speed internet. Windows also has the best help and support, since it is a large corporation, and can offer telephone services and professions who are employed online merely to answer your questions. Linux is free, and often can't afford huge customer support.

Finally, linux is extremely incompatible with, of all things, itself. Linux binaries usually only work on the same OS they were built on, and rarely can be used cross linux OS, and usually need the same version too! This means that if developers want to have linux binaries, they must often have large lists of binaries listing both the OS and version.

Linux is great, I'm sure, and I love free things, and I also love the fact that almost all linux programs can be used on windows too. However, it's just not for me. Besides, what have you got against windows?

[assassin]

The smart computer user [like me] knows what he/she is doing and does it safely.

Except when you re-format and thus delete your hard-drive by installing a strange OS...  

No offence, I'm sure we have all made stupid mistakes with computers at some time  

Linux is free, and often can't afford huge customer support

You can pay for ubuntu support...

Windows also has the best help and support

Have you ever had to call Microsoft for PC support   ... If you haven't, count yourself as lucky

Finally, linux is extremely incompatible with, of all things, itself. Linux binaries usually only work on the same OS they were built on, and rarely can be used cross linux OS, and usually need the same version too! This means that if developers want to have linux binaries, they must often have large lists of binaries listing both the OS and version.

Um.. no.. I think you are thinking of packages... these are a bit like archives (e.g. .zip or .tar.tbz) and are distro specific, but you can convert them using a handy tool called alien.
All linux binaries are compatible, except of course ones for different CPU architectures (eg. Power pc or i386 of x86-64)..

[ElimiNator]

Windows also has the best help and support

Have you ever had to call Microsoft for PC support   ... If you haven't, count yourself as lucky

O ya . I still say Linux is the BEST!

And it still is the way it was meant to be...

[Omega]

Except when you re-format and thus delete your hard-drive by installing a strange OS... 

No offence, I'm sure we have all made stupid mistakes with computers at some time 

Ah, your right. My point was restricted to viruses.

Have you ever had to call Microsoft for PC support  ... If you haven't, count yourself as lucky

I have used their help forums a few times and always got good, quick, friendly responses. Of course, I never tested any other methods of contact (why would I?)

Um.. no.. I think you are thinking of packages... these are a bit like archives (e.g. .zip or .tar.tbz) and are distro specific, but you can convert them using a handy tool called alien.
All linux binaries are compatible, except of course ones for different CPU architectures (eg. Power pc or i386 of x86-64)..

Hmm, dunno. If you say so. I was merely reading off a wikipedia page comparing linux and windows. It may only apply to some distributions or older ones perhaps? Either way, I still don't care. I am perfectly happy with windows, have had no problems. Linux just lost me half of my life in files. And yes, I am EXTREMELY biased.

[gameboy]

who gives a shit???
Peeps who use windows like it because its easy to use. Ans also i have never seen someone so biased to windows
Peeps who use Linux hate other OS's because the other OS's are a lot more popular.

[assassin]

Peeps who use Linux hate other OS's because the other OS's are a lot more popular.

Actually, that is a common misconception, here are some examples of it's use:
As of June 2008, Linux distributions represented five of ten servers, FreeBSD three of ten, and Microsoft two of ten.
16.7% of smartphones sold worldwide during 2006 were using Linux
Linux now holds 12.7% of the overall server market
The One Laptop Per Child Project is creating a new and potentially much larger Linux community, planned to reach millions of schoolchildren and their families and communities in developing countries.
The federal government of Brazil is well known for its support for Linux.
News of the Russian military creating their own Linux distribution has also surfaced.
Indian state of Kerala has gone so far as to make it mandatory for all state high schools to run Linux on their computers.
China uses Linux exclusively as the operating system for its Loongson processor family to achieve technology independence.
In Spain some regions have developed their own Linux distributions, which are widely used in education and official institutions.

I rest my case