Glest Board Changes

[Omega]

Good point. I agree. I'll announce this topic to EVERYONE now... (Admin's have a pretty little privillege there!)

[ultifd]

Yeah, maybe put it out in the "news"...or a PM...or something else? I wouldn't know... 
We'll see, maybe one more week? Or a half...etc.

[Omega]

Yeah, maybe put it out in the "news"...or a PM...or something else? I wouldn't know... 
We'll see, maybe one more week? Or a half...etc.

I announced it... Everyone should have a PM stating to take a look at this topic or something like that. And I mean everyone... Took 5 minutes to send to everyone!

And news... nah, the pm is enough I think.

[ultifd]

Everyone? Everyone as in every single member of this forum, including the bots, or every person that is active in this forum...who you think didn't vote...
I guess since I voted already, and I think you know that, I guess I don't get a PM. That's fine...was just wondering, since titi once told me he could send a "all out" PM to every single member...
EDIT:Thanks for your time, I guess.
Anyways, I guess we will see the results! or no change?  

[hailstone]

Actually, posting in both would be a much better idea because each engine needs a separate discussion on that feature. IE: If I post a feature request about improving the AI, and silnarm say's he'll do it, then that's for GAE. But if it's just for one board, it causes confusion. Is GAE doing it, or MG, or both?!

Either way, it would be a good thing to have them separate. Thus, I vote for subforums.

I mentioned somewhere why I think having a single forum for features is a good idea but I can't find it. Anyway, the idea is to have a forum that has non-implementation specific ideas to be discussed. When MG, GAE, or another unknown branch decide to implement it they announce in that topic and start a new topic in their own board to discuss the specific implementation and announce progress.

I agree it could create confusion if it isn't stated clearly but the initial request needs to be put somewhere. If it is only posted in one board then the other group might not see it. If it's posted in both then people are double posting and might not be worked on by either. If it's posted in mods, general, or another forum it could get lost.

The other situation is if one has the feature but the other doesn't, but I don't see that posting in a single forum would be a problem.

[ultifd]

Hmm, but wouldn't the sub-boards fix the "issues" that a single board would have? As you said...
As sub-boards are also confusing, or create confusion...but that would be the only CON of it...that I could think of...
Also, another board would mean that the the section of Mods and Development would have 7 boards...that kinda stretches the forum even more then now... Maybe or not that would be a bad thing for me...
But most importantly is the confusion, and people may double post... mayhem in the future?
For me all the cons weigh out the idea of a single board for me...
Anyways if we only had a single board for it, I would be fine with it...as long as the moderators and/or Admins, future and current, can deal with it... 
Hmm...maybe we never know until we try... 
John is a moderator now, cool, although it is better if you tell us IMO...
  (well before he was one just for the tools section, but still, same thing, nobody told us...  )

[John.d.h]

Thanks, Titi and Omega!  I'm honored.

[ultifd]

Yeah, gratz. Another good, or so, choice.    
Well, 4999 members, great...too bad a large # of those members are bots...most likely at least. 0 posts members...
(usually)...
So, basically CAPTCHA is easily...well it doesn't work, obviously.
I guess one good thing, or not, is that they don't post...they just spam all their user settings and signature.
So maybe some mods will help?   Trying to find a good one...EDIT: Somewhat done///
So, maybe these mods? Or more? Or different? Cause we want to prevent them too...
Avatar Verification
reCAPTCHA for SMF
Stop Spammer
there was a clock one too, but the clock was blurry...so...
Or you could start by deleting them, later...  
EDIT: People aren't voting for the poll! Vote! 

[kukac2]

Captcha would be good, but often gives a picture where even humans can't register xD Anyway, if I remember well, the board is already using an anti-bot system (or that was the previous board???), but the spammers, who want to spam, will register, and run their bots later.

Anyway, I would like to see some more protection. (less work)

[ultifd]

Captcha would be good, but often gives a picture where even humans can't register xD Anyway, if I remember well, the board is already using an anti-bot system (or that was the previous board???), but the spammers, who want to spam, will register, and run their bots later.

Yah, true. Depends though, for the phpBB, wowza was so hard for me, could not register on a particular forum to answer a question about glest, then softcoder helped me do it... 
Yeah, well...look at now, the anti bot system, if "on"...isn't working. 

Anyway, I would like to see some more protection. (less work)

(less work)

Well uh, from what I know, you just got John to help...so  but true, when in the future those new bots...hopefully not. 

[Omega]

I double checked the registration settings, and it's set for high security captchas, as it was before. However, it is true that it isn't perfect, and there are a such thing as human controlled trolls who can spam.

It's true though, that sometimes even humans can get captcha's wrong. I know I've seen one or two that were unreadable and had to request another...

[ultifd]

Well it does not even really work...always get bypassed... 
Yay 5000 members! Mostly bots though... 

It's true though, that sometimes even humans can get captcha's wrong. I know I've seen one or two that were unreadable and had to request another...

Yeah I know, SMF's captcha is fine, readable at least... 
Bots can read it too? Maybe not, but still...

[Omega]

I'm going to give recaptcha a try...

[Omega2]

Success!

[ultifd]

Alright, lets see if that will help...If not we need others. Now how about the bots in our community, the members? More then 3.5k are bots, I am pretty sure. Keep them? No reason to, besides that we will only have like 1.5k members for now...not that bad.
Anyways, thanks! Omega is Awesome.   Eh, OK at least.  
I remember there was something else I wanted to talk about...forgot...oh well.
EDIT: Re Captcha Fails? 
https://forum.megaglest.org/index.php?action=profile;u=9824
Well...time for avatar matching? 
...

Avatar Verification
reCAPTCHA for SMF
Stop Spammer
there was a clock one too, but the clock was blurry...so...

[ElimiNator]

Success!

Great! now less bots?

[-Archmage-]

Success!

Great! now less bots?

Hopefully!

UPDATE: Another bot, methinks. https://forum.megaglest.org/index.php?action=profile;u=9841

[Omega]

I don't think any of these methods will be perfect... Even captcha, which prevents pretty much any machine, cannot help against a human. There *are* bots who use humans for the sign up process, so there will never be a 'bot-less' stage. Even the biggest sites in the world still have bots. You can never be perfect... For now, I do think we may have less bots, especially since I removed the standard old image recognization, which should throw most bots off track.

I do want the site to always be accessable, so I don't think the avatar one will be a good alternative to Recaptcha. Not to mention unorthidox...

[John.d.h]

There *are* bots who use humans for the sign up process

I thought the humans were the ones using the bots...  Oh noes!  We're in the Matrix!

Anyway, nice to have some barriers.

[ultifd]

Nah, mainly the bots...are powerful against Captcha, any type...stupid OCR. (Just that we have like 50 bots, if not now, at least, who join everyday. Seriously... We are lucky they don't post. 
Oh well, I guess we will deal with this later (again)  Thanks anyways, yeah, probably less bots...some at least. 
I remember! ed.  Now how about that new board, or sub boards?  Features!

[John.d.h]

Regarding the discussion on whether or not to move Little Helper's model thread to the Tools board, I think I agree that it should probably go there, along with the other "model dump" threads.  I think Mods does better as a place where mods are released and discussed, where Tools is all about the technical side of development, and that would include resources like models.  Am I right?

[-Archmage-]

Regarding the discussion on whether or not to move Little Helper's model thread to the Tools board, I think I agree that it should probably go there, along with the other "model dump" threads.  I think Mods does better as a place where mods are released and discussed, where Tools is all about the technical side of development, and that would include resources like models.  Am I right?

I agree.

[ultifd]

Agreed. So many of those threads though... oh well.

[Gabbe]

let the ones that are locked down, they are only there for our special models, that are good and finished completely you only have to move the big one.

EDIT: maybe tools board should be renamed...development?

[-Archmage-]

let the ones that are locked down, they are only there for our special models, that are good and finished completely you only have to move the big one.

We move all or none.

EDIT: maybe tools board should be renamed...development?

Well, the tools board contains tools and resources for development........so, I'm neutral on this, I really don't care. But I'd like to throw this point out there: The name Modding Development, or Modding Tools would probably attract more people to it...