Religous Debates

[@kukac@]

Ahh, I just got enlightened by Arch! There is a god exist, who is called Ranagol!

(I've only found Hungarian documents about him, so I'm doing some translations )

Ranagol is the goat-headed god, who came from an another dimension, to test out his theory. Basically, this whole universe is his test lab. He has the theory: Survival of the fittest! Only those can survive, who are among the best creatures. The followers of Ranagol must accept it: it doesn't matter, how do you reach your goal. If you have to eliminate someone, you can fight him openly, backstab him, poison him, make him get arrested: you decide. Your only goal is to survive. Even if it means, you have to accept lies. If pretending to be a peace loving, lawful Christian person will make you get further, then use it as you want."Do not kill, do not steal, do not decieve". These are nothing, but lies. "I don't want to be killed, I don't want to be robbed, I don't want to be decieved, so I protect myself with these lies I call justice and morals."

According to the Law of changes (Változások Törvénye) Ranagol only love those, who are never satisfied with their current positions, and always aim to be higher. Altough, you might make a step back, you can jump further later. Basically, these are what are found about Ranagol, and I found a quite stupid (?) webpage about him (www.ranagol.hu), what is totally empty...

Well, should we worship for him? Don't forget, that it's not needed

[Gabbe]

The world isn`t perfect, nor is humans, our ecosystem could have been very different from what we have...

[John.d.h]

Here's a question (actually several) I'd like to raise to everyone.  A bit of food for thought, if you will.

• If you were an all-powerful god given a big empty universe and you could create anything at all you wanted in it (or nothing, if you so choose), what would you make?  What would your universe look like? 
• Would you make everything work together in perfect harmony?  Would you make everything imperfect so you could sit back and watch what happens? 
• Would you create mankind?  If so, would you give them the power of choice, or would you dictate their actions and attitudes?

[Gabbe]

AND, why would a god-like "person" care for this tiny little planet orbiting this sun that is almost nothing in the universe...

[-Archmage-]

Ahh, I just got enlightened by Arch! There is a god exist, who is called Ranagol! Cheesy

(I've only found Hungarian documents about him, so I'm doing some translations Cheesy )

Ranagol is the goat-headed god, who came from an another dimension, to test out his theory. Basically, this whole universe is his test lab. He has the theory: Survival of the fittest! Only those can survive, who are among the best creatures. The followers of Ranagol must accept it: it doesn't matter, how do you reach your goal. If you have to eliminate someone, you can fight him openly, backstab him, poison him, make him get arrested: you decide. Your only goal is to survive. Even if it means, you have to accept lies. If pretending to be a peace loving, lawful Christian person will make you get further, then use it as you want."Do not kill, do not steal, do not decieve". These are nothing, but lies. "I don't want to be killed, I don't want to be robbed, I don't want to be decieved, so I protect myself with these lies I call justice and morals."

According to the Law of changes (Változások Törvénye) Ranagol only love those, who are never satisfied with their current positions, and always aim to be higher. Altough, you might make a step back, you can jump further later. Basically, these are what are found about Ranagol, and I found a quite stupid (?) webpage about him (www.ranagol.hu), what is totally empty...

Well, should we worship for him? Cheesy Don't forget, that it's not needed Cheesy

Be ridiculous if you want, but there is a creator, science can prove it!
It already has actually.

The world isn`t perfect, nor is humans, our ecosystem could have been very different from what we have...

Are you kidding, the Human body is perfect, it can walk, it has all these tiny little details that make it perfect, and when I say perfect, I don't mean perfection by the Borg's standard, but perfection by the standard of what it can do, and how reliable it is at what it does.

The Human body can and is designed to do what it must to survive and more!

Nature is a paradise, ignoring bugs of course.
For goodness' sake, the universe is a paradise, it is perfect for life, gravity is just right, all this stuff is perfect, it has obviously been created!

Here's a question (actually several) I'd like to raise to everyone.  A bit of food for thought, if you will.

    * If you were an all-powerful god given a big empty universe and you could create anything at all you wanted in it (or nothing, if you so choose), what would you make?  What would your universe look like?
    * Would you make everything work together in perfect harmony?  Would you make everything imperfect so you could sit back and watch what happens?
    * Would you create mankind?  If so, would you give them the power of choice, or would you dictate their actions and attitudes?

You don't really expect me to know?

AND, why would a god-like "person" care for this tiny little planet orbiting this sun that is almost nothing in the universe...

Uh, he created it.

[John.d.h]

Be ridiculous if you want, but there is a creator, science can prove it!
It already has actually.

lol what?

Are you kidding, the Human body is perfect, it can walk, it has all these tiny little details that make it perfect, and when I say perfect, I don't mean perfection by the Borg's standard, but perfection by the standard of what it can do, and how reliable it is at what it does.

Granted, the human body is pretty nifty.  Perfect, though?  Nah.  If you want to accept the idea of "the universe is pretty awesome, so it seems to me that there is an intelligent creative force/entity behind it", then that's 100% A-okay for you to believe that.  However, some people are never going to accept "the universe is pretty awesome" as proof.

You don't really expect me to know?

Like I said, food for thought.  I just figure since people are debating what God/gods did or didn't do, then maybe we should think about what any of us would do in that position of ultimate power.  It's a thought experiment directed at no particular person.

[-Archmage-]

Ok, John, it's kinda clear that you haven't been listening.

Why don't you just check out that video I posted about eariler.

[Fluffy203]

i wish their were definable proof there is a creator , but i can't see that happening. We as a race of humans put GOD's Or GOD in place of things we can't understand. Like the god Zeus we thought was a god he controlled lighting. When in fact lighting is a super heated plasma created by static discharge from clouds. Also the Eygpitain god Ra who was supposed to control the sun. Again in fact the sun is a star in our solar system. See we used to not understand how things worked so we put a god for it. Thus we created this Monotheistic god for explanation of why we are here and how we were created.We seek to be here for a purpose that is why we make this God.We don't want to actually realize that we will die and that is the end. Plus the Bible isn't facts at all its more of a set of morale's and guidelines to keep people the way others see that they should be and live. The bible says wait till marriage to have sex. That is cause people in that religion want you to do so its a guideline not a fact you don't have to wait lol i sure didn't , but just saying that is an example of the set of guidelines. (no offense intended or actually bringing sex into the debate just an example) 

[John.d.h]

Ok, John, it's kinda clear that you haven't been listening.

Why don't you just check out that video I posted about eariler.

Seriously?  I've been here reading every post in this thread since the beginning, taking pot shots at both sides any time somebody makes a lousy argument.  I've most certainly been listening.  It just so happens that lately you've been grasping at straws, so you've been my biggest target for the last couple pages.  Instead of investing my time, effort, and especially money into seeing your propaganda, I'd like to see if you can formulate a decent argument on your own.  So far, you haven't really done that.

[-Archmage-]

Fluffy, I am fed up with you!

You keep insisting on Evolution, which doesn't make any sense.

Evolutionists, insist upon believing in Evolution because they don't want to believe in a creator!
You don't want to believe in a Creator because, with a creator, there are moral and rules, and honor means something, without a creator, it doesn't matter, and you don't like to be restricted!

I am mad, simply because you are so ignorant of science, and logic. All the science and logic points to a creator!
The fact that you cannot see that pretty much explains why you believe in Evolution!

I am sick and tired of your ignorance.

I think Gabbe is a great Evolutionist, even though his arguments are ridiculous, he's looking into the other point of view, which is the smart thing to do!

I've already looked into the Evolutionists point of view. It's ridiculous!
If you are an Evolutionist, than you believe in something out of nothing.

Quote from: -Archmage- on Today at 18:44:19
Ok, John, it's kinda clear that you haven't been listening. No Opinion

Why don't you just check out that video I posted about eariler.
Seriously?  I've been here reading every post in this thread since the beginning, taking pot shots at both sides any time somebody makes a lousy argument.  I've most certainly been listening.  It just so happens that lately you've been grasping at straws, so you've been my biggest target for the last couple pages.  Instead of investing my time, effort, and especially money into seeing your propaganda, I'd like to see if you can formulate a decent argument on your own.  So far, you haven't really done that.

I haven't been grasping at straws, I've been waiting for you to see basic logic!
I can't believe I'm having this argument! You guys are just ridiculous!!!
I find it funny, John, how your replies ask for evidence, when I'm waiting for you to look at the massive block I've already posted!

[Fluffy203]

Fluffy, I am fed up with you!

You keep insisting on Evolution, which doesn't make any sense.

Evolutionists, insist upon believing in Evolution because they don't want to believe in a creator!
You don't want to believe in a Creator because, with a creator, there are moral and rules, and honor means something, without a creator, it doesn't matter, and you don't like to be restricted!

I am mad, simply because you are so ignorant of science, and logic. All the science and logic points to a creator!
The fact that you cannot see that pretty much explains why you believe in Evolution!

I am sick and tired of your ignorance. Angry

I think Gabbe is a great Evolutionist, even though his arguments are ridiculous, he's looking into the other point of view, which is the smart thing to do!

I've already looked into the Evolutionists point of view. It's ridiculous!
If you are an Evolutionist, than you believe in something out of nothing.

No you are completely wrong the ignorant thing here is that you think you know me. You clearly don't. I've been to church baptist by the way. I've seen the other side and i'm here to tell you the other side doesn't make sense. Not logically , not at all for that fact. READ YOUR BIBLE. King James version btw.   

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16

[-Archmage-]

Hey, not all creationists believe the Bible is accurate.

I do not go to church, I believe in a creator for scientific and logical reasons.

I do not believe in Evolution for scientific and logical reasons.

This topic was terribly named.

[Fluffy203]

Oh so you don't believe in god just a higher being of existence? if so then yea i believe the same thing. But i do not think this higher being of existence created use.

[-Archmage-]

Well, I believe he did.

I do believe in a God-like being...so yah a higher being of existance.
I just call him God.....well.....because, what else?

I believe, and know, that I am a soul, and that my body is not who I am.

I have literally experienced being out of my body. For about 1/4 of a second.
It felt........cool.
Funny how my Mom said she saw my soul before I was born.
She was able to describe the exact height that I had experienced, now I don't think that that is a coincidence, no matter how strange my mother is...

[Fluffy203]

you know i think i'm good with that answer , at least you believe in something right , i mean you have something to go on , I see why you grip on to it so much , but hey i appreciate the debate 

[-Archmage-]

Buddy.
I know one thing for sure.

Evolution is impossible.

Go do the math!

[@kukac@]

Evolutionists, insist upon believing in Evolution because they don't want to believe in a creator!
You don't want to believe in a Creator because, with a creator, there are moral and rules, and honor means something, without a creator, it doesn't matter, and you don't like to be restricted!

And you, the creationist insist upon believing in God, because you don't want to believe in the evolution!
But yeah, why should I restrict myself, if there aren't any god (at least I haven't seen any ), who would punish us, if we don't follow his/her/their rules.

Creationism is the religion of the old times, the modern religions are science and democracy

Do you guys want to keep it up, until a God registers and tells his/her opinion, or do you want to tease Arch a little bit more?

(By the way, I heard Ranagol and Allah made a bet. Ranagol said, the humanity has 1,2% chance to be the last survivor race, but Allah bet it wouldn't it be wonderful, to see which god will win the bet? )

[Gabbe]

I think Gabbe is a great Evolutionist, even though his arguments are ridiculous, he's looking into the other point of view, which is the smart thing to do!

Thanks! do you have any good translator programs so i can write in Norwegian? then my arguments wouldn`t be so ridicolous, and i looked at small clips from the movie, and it got me interested! Still i belive in evolution, i also belive that something of a higher existance might exist, like the Ancients in stargate...They moved to another dimension wich "controls" this one, and they created us! thats not a awesomely prooved theory, but hey, scientist is actually trying to proove dimensions-theory...they won`t be able to within my lifespan atleast...lol...

And you, the creationist insist upon believing in God, because you don't want to believe in the evolution!
But yeah, why should I restrict myself, if there aren't any god (at least I haven't seen any Smile ), who would punish us, if we don't follow his/her/their rules.

Creationism is the religion of the old times, the modern religions are science and democracy Tongue Cheesy

Do you guys want to keep it up, until a God registers and tells his/her opinion, or do you want to tease Arch a little bit more?

Now that was just like my brain is thinking....

Buddy.
I know one thing for sure.

Evolution is impossible.

Go do the math!

If we were the ultimate result, then yes, evolution could go suck it`s ass, but since we could have evolved way differently, and so could any other being, and any other planet etc. It is possible, at a small chance, but the universe is wast/large/epic/biggest-thing-ever and yet, no ETLF (extra-terrestial-life-forms) is found on other planets, but on IO a moon to another of our solar-systems planets (can`t remember wich) do have "alien" bacteria on it, i mean under the ice, were WATER is located, then aliens is possible, why not ETLF? They might even have a different brain-setup than what we have...They might have EVOLVED different than us.... And if 5 billion solar-sytems were without lifeforms, maybe it would be like 1:5billion? then evolution makes more sence or what?

Well, I believe he did.

I do believe in a God-like being...so yah a higher being of existance.
I just call him God.....well.....because, what else?

I believe, and know, that I am a soul, and that my body is not who I am.

I have literally experienced being out of my body. For about 1/4 of a second.
It felt........cool.
Funny how my Mom said she saw my soul before I was born.
She was able to describe the exact height that I had experienced, now I don't think that that is a coincidence, no matter how strange my mother is...

I will ignore the last part, as that is just speculations wich i can`t have proof for.
Why would you call him god, you said a long time ago that aswell aliens might have been our CREATORS, then those aliens might be a specie, why don`t you call them/It/Her/he... uhm...need time to think....CREATOR!!
If you hold on to the god thing, i assume your christian, and then i won`t deffinately join your side, pure because christianity is ignorance, nothing less, alot more.

(By the way, I heard Ranagol and Allah made a bet. Ranagol said, the humanity has 1,2% chance to be the last survivor race, but Allah bet it Cheesy wouldn't it be wonderful, to see which god will win the bet? Cheesy )

Go see some videos about how long the crocodile is going to survive!

Hey, not all creationists believe the Bible is accurate. Roll Eyes

I bgelive the bible is nonscense, remember that the bible has been changed during the medieval times...
I bet all the paups/poups whatever made it fit so that christianity would "have the power to kill inocent non-belivers"

I do not go to church, I believe in a creator for scientific and logical reasons.

ah.... you no longer call him god, you call him creator thats nice!

I do not believe in Evolution for scientific and logical reasons.

Are you now saying that evolution breaks completely with all that you see, touch, hear anything!?!?
Is your opinion that Darwin was a complete dumbass with critical mind problems!?!?

This topic was terribly named. Tongue

Yeah, some of our posts could have been called oftopic since they have no reference to the topic...

Evolutionists, insist upon believing in Evolution because they don't want to believe in a creator!
You don't want to believe in a Creator because, with a creator, there are moral and rules, and honor means something, without a creator, it doesn't matter, and you don't like to be restricted!

Hate restrictions, but that isn`t why i don`t belive in a creator, that is why i hate christianity...
honour is valuable to your friends, and to beat the enemy in a debate

I find it funny, John, how your replies ask for evidence, when I'm waiting for you to look at the massive block I've already posted!

I don`t know what john has post but watch those clips from archs movie, then you can say you have watched the other side of the debate, and got a perspective...

Be ridiculous if you want, but there is a creator, science can prove it!
It already has actually. Tongue

Reference?

Ahh, I just got enlightened by Arch! There is a god exist, who is called Ranagol! Cheesy

(I've only found Hungarian documents about him, so I'm doing some translations Cheesy )

Ranagol is the goat-headed god, who came from an another dimension, to test out his theory. Basically, this whole universe is his test lab. He has the theory: Survival of the fittest! Only those can survive, who are among the best creatures. The followers of Ranagol must accept it: it doesn't matter, how do you reach your goal. If you have to eliminate someone, you can fight him openly, backstab him, poison him, make him get arrested: you decide. Your only goal is to survive. Even if it means, you have to accept lies. If pretending to be a peace loving, lawful Christian person will make you get further, then use it as you want."Do not kill, do not steal, do not decieve". These are nothing, but lies. "I don't want to be killed, I don't want to be robbed, I don't want to be decieved, so I protect myself with these lies I call justice and morals."

According to the Law of changes (Változások Törvénye) Ranagol only love those, who are never satisfied with their current positions, and always aim to be higher. Altough, you might make a step back, you can jump further later. Basically, these are what are found about Ranagol, and I found a quite stupid (?) webpage about him (www.ranagol.hu), what is totally empty...

Well, should we worship for him? Cheesy Don't forget, that it's not needed Cheesy

Replace Ranagol with Evolution, then Replace Ranagol with Creation...

Yay, what can i say? I just got enlightened by arch to! i belive in the god Darwin wich tells you about survival of the fittest!

[xxcatmysteryxx]

Wow people here post so fast anyways everyone is different and can believe how they want, someone can even believe in nothing anyways i think gabbe is a good debater because HE looks on both sides i do that too... kinda
anyways with evolution we could have evoled differently but we didn't can you explain that... so now its like evoltion has a brain haha so that brings up alot of questions scinetists need to discover of why we tured up like we did or maybe we were created ... ah such mysterys still need to be discovered and PROVED

better?

[Gabbe]

there must be a post were i say im she.....please, naviagte me, im HE!

we evolved how we did because the earths habitat was what it was...

[xxcatmysteryxx]

there must be a post were i say im she.....please, naviagte me, im HE!

we evolved how we did because the earths habitat was what it was...

i don't think i said she if so sorry i knew you were a HE

anyways yes its because of enviroment/habitat if we first evolted in the mountains we would have really strong legs and maybe more legs or more toes LOL or in grassland we propally run faster.. yet we have traits to do all that just not one better than the other

[Gabbe]

i don't think i said she if so sorry i knew you were a HE

anyways yes its because of enviroment/habitat if we first evolted in the mountains we would have really strong legs and maybe more legs or more toes LOL or in grassland we propally run faster.. yet we have traits to do all that just not one better than the other

Humans were on the plains of Africa in the begining, then we evolved to have naked skin, wanna know the reason? because we wanted better sex, lol thats funny actually...

[xxcatmysteryxx]

Humans were on the plains of Africa in the begining, then we evolved to have naked skin, wanna know the reason? because we wanted better sex, lol thats funny actually...

ha great it would have been better if you said easier to reproduce but yes we were really "made" to have no clothes it would be funny if we still don't then everyone would look EXACTLY the same ... well almost the same; similar
and we don't have naked skin it called being naked and that means showing skin......

[Gabbe]

My english is terrible 

wouldn`t look the same, we would still be asians, white, black etc.

[xxcatmysteryxx]

My english is terrible 

wouldn`t look the same, we would still be asians, white, black etc.

its not that bad.... I bet mines worse when im not even trying

anyways.... true except for different colors and sizes

Also the reason why I don't like christanity or any religion is because they always change i just don't think its right