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« Reply #150 on: 13 April 2010, 18:47:51 »
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I bgelive the bible is nonscense, remember that the bible has been changed during the medieval times...
I bet all the paups/poups whatever made it fit so that christianity would "have the power to kill inocent non-belivers"

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« Reply #151 on: 13 April 2010, 19:12:12 »
You guys are just ridiculous, I can understand why you believe in Evolution.

I almost did believe Evolution once, but once I saw how Evolution cowers before science, and that science has got it's finger pointed at a creator, I just said, Evolution is crap, then once I found out about the mathematics behind Evolution, I laughed so hard, at the thought that anyone would believe such ridiculous thing! :O

You see. I'm not scared of Evolution at all, I know that everything you throw at me just won't do anything, I am rock solid in my believe in a creator!
It's just too obvious to deny!

The fact that you people don't seem to get it is creepy.

Oh BTW guys, if you think Dawkins is good, he's crap.
I've read a bunch of quotes and then someone compared those quotes. He hides from the strong and confident creationists and attacks the ones that haven't quite got their guns lined up right.

I've also read about how the definition of Evolution is always changing, and they use that as a shield to protect themselves against science and logic.



PS: Gabbe: How much, exactly, have you seen?

I couldn't imagine how anyone could believe in Evolution after watching that video. :o
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« Reply #152 on: 13 April 2010, 19:20:29 »
you know what? I will just say that you and Omega belive in your thing and we/me in ours/mine want to heqar your opinion about the science book of the medieval times, THE BIBLE!

no-ones going to change their opinion anyways, but i have changed mine slightly, or rather, i have dug up the possibility for aliens....

but yeah, if the bible is a picture on sumthing, how did it carry out through the dark ages? christianitys top-era?

EDIT: I have seen all the clips availiable as advert on youtube, im going to ask my dad to use his card now...

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« Reply #153 on: 13 April 2010, 19:21:34 »
;D Allow me:
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I believe the Bible is nonsense, remember that the Bible was changed during the medieval times...
I bet all the popes made it fit so that Christianity would "have the power to kill innocent non-believers"

I personally think a lot of what's in the Bible is subject to corruption, simply because it's been passed down through so many translators, etc.  Even if the original story was completely true, I think what we have now is probably a lot different.  On top of that, half of what a lot of Christians believe isn't even close to what's actually written in the book they supposedly hold in such high regard.  This is especially true with the Catholics (don't even get me started on that!), but I think all denominations are subject to it.  Take the typical Christian view on Hell for example.  Most Christians think Hell is some kind of fiery torture chamber like in Dante's Inferno, but that's not what's in the Bible at all.  Why would a loving god subject people to eternal torture for all eternity for being immoral?  The Hell of the Bible is a place where people are destroyed, snuffed out of existence, not tormented.  Makes a lot more sense, doesn't it?  The only beings that it mentions being burned for "age after age" are Satan and his demons, presumably because you simply can't destroy an angelic being the same way you would destroy a human body, so it's going to take a long time.  Somewhere along the way, people got Christian Hell mixed up with Greek Hades, and now that's what people believe.  It's kinda sad when even Christians don't know what they're supposed to believe.  In fact, that's why the invention of the printing press took so much power away from the Catholic church.  People could finally read what the book says and figure out that it wasn't what the papacy wanted them to think.  That's when we start getting people like Martin Luther with his 99 Theses.

Here's a quote I've always found interesting.

Quote from: Mahatma Gandhi
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.


I almost did believe Evolution once, but once I saw how Evolution cowers before science, and that science has got it's finger pointed at a creator, I just said, Evolution is crap, then once I found out about the mathematics behind Evolution, I laughed so hard, at the thought that anyone would believe such ridiculous thing! :O
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule

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I know that everything you throw at me just won't do anything, I am rock solid in my believe in a creator!
There's a word for that... hmm... what was it?  Oh yeah, it's...
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I've also read about how the definition of Evolution is always changing
That's called scientific progress.  Maybe you should look into it.  It's the same way our definition of the solar system is always changing.  Some people have even gone so far as to not believe that Earth is the center of the universe! *gasp* :o NO WAY!  ::)

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« Reply #154 on: 13 April 2010, 19:27:38 »
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I almost did believe Evolution once, but once I saw how Evolution cowers before science, and that science has got it's finger pointed at a creator, I just said, Evolution is crap, then once I found out about the mathematics behind Evolution, I laughed so hard, at the thought that anyone would believe such ridiculous thing! Laughing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule
Well that was just insanely good one  :O

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I've also read about how the definition of Evolution is always changing
That's called scientific progress.  Maybe you should look into it.  It's the same way our definition of the solar system is always changing.  Some people have even gone so far as to not believe that Earth is the center of the universe! *gasp* Shocked NO WAY!  Roll Eyes

Sometimes i think that this is kinda what arch thinks about evolutionists, lemme add, evolution is science, evolution changes because we discover new things, creation however, is bullshit, and bullshit stays bullshit until the atoms transform..

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I know that everything you throw at me just won't do anything, I am rock solid in my believe in a creator!
There's a word for that... hmm... what was it?  Oh yeah, it's...
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Directly translated from Norwegian that is "dumb" i think...
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« Reply #155 on: 13 April 2010, 19:47:13 »
You guys are ridiculous beyond bounds! :P
I am the only Creationist in the debate that is equipped with firepower, but you aren't listening to me, which in fact, is typical of Evolutionists!

I have stated that I do not stand by the Bibles every word, and as John said, corruption has very likely gotten it's hands all through the Bible.

You could say that I'm a christian, but I don't really have a 'defined religion', I'm just in the generic group of "Creationists".



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I almost did believe Evolution once, but once I saw how Evolution cowers before science, and that science has got it's finger pointed at a creator, I just said, Evolution is crap, then once I found out about the mathematics behind Evolution, I laughed so hard, at the thought that anyone would believe such ridiculous thing! Laughing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule

Jeez.........I thought I was underdramatic........ :O



Gabbe, thanks for being a man and bothering to check out the massive block of evidence I posted. :) :thumbup:



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I've also read about how the definition of Evolution is always changing
That's called scientific progress.  Maybe you should look into it.  It's the same way our definition of the solar system is always changing.  Some people have even gone so far as to not believe that Earth is the center of the universe! *gasp* Shocked NO WAY!  Roll Eyes

Sometimes i think that this is kinda what arch thinks about evolutionists, lemme add, evolution is science, evolution changes because we discover new things, creation however, is bullshit, and bullshit stays bullshit until the atoms transform..

Evolution is not science, it is a faith.
Creation stands by science and it's sad that that isn't obvious to you.

BTW, John, that's not what I meant by "always changing", you terribly mis-understood.



Do you guys want to continue this debate?

Gabbe is the only one that is really looking at my proof, you others are just here to make fun of my point of view.
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« Reply #156 on: 13 April 2010, 19:56:05 »
Actually, i want to say that evoltuion and creation are 2 different things, creation is how life began, evolution is how it changed, and i must say, there is no theory to compete with creation at the battlefield of well...creation...

I feel like i belive in evolution, but battling archmage with his creation is not the right thing, and evoltuion, obiviously fails at prooving how life come to begin, but thats because it isn`t about that, life hasn`t always been around, and therefore Creation is correct, put only at how life to began, and that is in fact what it is about, evolution should be something that has sub-theories and same with creation... I disagree with arch about that evolution is a joke, but i agree with him that at todays science can`t "proove" uhm...creation of life, now you heard me! CREATION OF LIFE AND EVOLUTION OF LIFE!
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« Reply #157 on: 13 April 2010, 20:51:58 »
Okay, point me to your "massive block of evidence", because I've seriously yet to see a single iota of evidence for creation.

I am the only Creationist in the debate that is equipped with firepower, but you aren't listening to me, which in fact, is typical of Evolutionists!
Who's not listening?

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Evolution is not science, it is a faith.
Creation stands by science and it's sad that that isn't obvious to you.
Then... oh, why don't you show some science?  The best you've done so far is posting that video from Ken Hovind (I think that was his name), whose best point was that maybe the universe isn't as old as we think it is.  Fair enough, maybe the universe is a hundred years old for all I care.  Even if you were to somehow conclusively prove that the universe is young, or that the math doesn't work out, or whatever holes you can punch in our current understanding of evolutionary theory, that still would do nothing to prove creation.  Whether it happened or not, it is simply not a testable/provable phenomenon.  Evolution is.  We can see it happening on small scales (bacteria), and we can even make it happen on our own (dogs, corn, etc.).

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BTW, John, that's not what I meant by "always changing", you terribly mis-understood.
There's another definition for "always changing", other than "constantly becoming something different than what it just was a moment ago"?  I was unaware. :P

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Do you guys want to continue this debate?
You seem to want to.  You're the only one with anything to prove.

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you others are just here to make fun of my point of view.
Yeah, since "evolution is bullshit!" and "I don't know how you people believe this crap!" is totally not that. :look:

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« Reply #158 on: 13 April 2010, 23:06:48 »
Well, I hate this debate!
It's too ridiculous!

I'm through here!

I can't stand this, you guys respond so fast, I don't have time to wait for my brain to process the information I put through it.

I can feel what I want to say, but when it comes to the speed of my brain and expressing myself into the physical world, I'm only 12.

I just hate this debate because it takes to much of my time, but I keep getting drawn back, and sometimes the debate is fun, but on top of it being hard to express myself clearly, and at a speed to keep up with you guys, and then considering that it seems like you guys try to misunderstand me, the debate is very frustrating, and don't come on these forums for this.

I don't care if you think I'm being a coward, I'm just tired of this stupid body and tired of this debate. I'm done. I hate it.
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« Reply #159 on: 14 April 2010, 00:37:31 »
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Evolution is not science, it is a faith.
Creation stands by science and it's sad that that isn't obvious to you.

wait i thought evolution is science and creation is faith that sound more like its supose to be if you really think about it.... now im confused
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I don't care if you think I'm being a coward, I'm just tired of this stupid body and tired of this debate. I'm done. I hate it.
awww i don't think your a coward i ammire your still expressing your point even though your the only one here that believes the creation thing and against evolution and your doing a good job!

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« Reply #160 on: 14 April 2010, 00:58:06 »
Be ridiculous if you want, but there is a creator, science can prove it!
It already has actually. :P

The only type of person who would claim this, I'm sorry I have to say this, is someone who has no understanding whatsoever of what science does, what it is for, and how it works.  Science can only work with evidence.  In science, evidence trumps empty claims, like the following:

Buddy.
I know one thing for sure.

Evolution is impossible.

Go do the math!

You guys are ridiculous beyond bounds! :P
I am the only Creationist in the debate that is equipped with firepower, but you aren't listening to me, which in fact, is typical of Evolutionists!

Your claims are empty.  I could claim the sky is falling, but you wouldn't believe me for the same reasons no one takes creationists' claims seriously.  When you boil it down, creationism in America is just a sad political movement from within the Christian body.  Many creationists are just bystanders, not really involved, but creationist leaders count them as followers (sheep, really.  And sheep aren't known for independent thinking).

 
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I almost did believe Evolution once, but once I saw how Evolution cowers before science, and that science has got it's finger pointed at a creator, I just said, Evolution is crap, then once I found out about the mathematics behind Evolution, I laughed so hard, at the thought that anyone would believe such ridiculous thing! Laughing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule

You have failed to present this mathematics.

Maybe you don't recognize this, but a large portion of Christianity accepts evolution, including the Catholics, the largest religious denomination in the world.

And no, I will not buy or watch the video.  Please present the argument here.  It would be more productive than stating your firm belief in creationism.

Gabbe, thanks for being a man and bothering to check out the massive block of evidence I posted. :) :thumbup:

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Evolution is not science, it is a faith.
Creation stands by science and it's sad that that isn't obvious to you.

If creationism is really science, then what progress has been made in the last, say, 5000 years it's been around?  Or maybe it fits the definition of Pseudoscience better…

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Gabbe is the only one that is really looking at my proof, you others are just here to make fun of my point of view.

Taking credit for intellectual work which isn't yours is called plagiarism.

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« Reply #161 on: 14 April 2010, 01:56:36 »
Modman's right, I'm not presenting the evidence.

I know it exists, but I'm not really sure how to present it........
I've always been terrible at presenting things.........

But I'll try later, maybe tomorrow.... :)



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Gabbe is the only one that is really looking at my proof, you others are just here to make fun of my point of view.

Taking credit for intellectual work which isn't yours is called plagiarism.

Oops, not trying to, just a bad choice of words.  :-X



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I don't care if you think I'm being a coward, I'm just tired of this stupid body and tired of this debate. I'm done. I hate it.
awww i don't think your a coward i ammire your still expressing your point even though your the only one here that believes the creation thing and against evolution and your doing a good job!

Thanks for the courage.
I want to watch that movie again tomorrow and post some stuff from it. ;)
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« Reply #162 on: 14 April 2010, 12:21:49 »
Arch, because you write down "I'm right, creator exists" more times, that does not make your opinion true.

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« Reply #163 on: 14 April 2010, 13:32:51 »
First I think I'll present "irreducible complexity".

The name says it all.
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« Reply #164 on: 14 April 2010, 13:34:33 »
Can anyone please xplain what that is?

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« Reply #165 on: 14 April 2010, 13:35:58 »
nvm i googled it...

found this...

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It is rejected by the scientific community
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is an argument  by proponents of intelligent design that certain biological systems are too complex to have evolved  from simpler, or "less complete" predecessors, through natural selection acting upon a series of advantageous naturally occurring chance mutations
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It is one of two main arguments intended to support intelligent design, the other being specified complexity

Take a look at this one:
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Evolutionary biologists have shown that such systems can in fact evolve,  and Behe's examples are considered to constitute an argument from ignorance.

And this one:
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The court found that "Professor Behe's claim for irreducible complexity has been refuted in peer-reviewed research papers and has been rejected by the scientific community at large."

And this too :D :

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Nonetheless, irreducible complexity continues to be cited as an important argument by creationists, particularly intelligent design proponents.

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A single system which is composed of several interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, and where the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning.

Behe found a cell, that he though wouldn`t live without all ot it`s parts, he were wrong..

Look here!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_flagella

Look here for more of the dover trial

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heres the wiki link for irreducibly complexity or whatever..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity

heres the flagella:

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Heres how it works, behe theory:



He thinks it wouldn`t survive with missing one of the parts, science prooved it could survive with 80% intact.

Heres how behe summarises the flagella:

Some bacteria boast a marvelous swimming device, the flagellum, which has no counterpart in more complex cells. In 1973 it was discovered that some bacteria swim by rotating their flagella. So the bacterial flagellum acts as a rotary propellor -- in contrast to the cilium, which acts more like an oar.

Like this? 

Behe was the on that first brought up irreducibly complexity, and he failed, and then it is nothing to argue with...

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« Reply #166 on: 14 April 2010, 14:10:36 »
80% Hah.
You have to go from 0% to 100%, very gradually, and of course, you have to hope, that Evolution fixes/creates something, instead of destroying it, the chance of destruction is just about 100%, but not quite........ Want me to give an example of why you cannot just randomly change complicated things, and hope for an improvement?

I'd say that that argument is perfectly valid unless science can prove that you can go from 0% to 100%.

Remember you can't start from anything, you have to start from nothing.
If you were to start at 80%, that would point at a creator, because that would somehow have to get there.
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« Reply #167 on: 14 April 2010, 14:19:20 »
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Actually, i want to say that evoltuion and creation are 2 different things, creation is how life began, evolution is how it changed, and i must say, there is no theory to compete with creation at the battlefield of well...creation...

Does this reposting help?
There is some problems with evolution and the math, but you must agree that it is possible, i changed faith, my faith is now what i just quoted, and it is true that noone can disagree with me, because i think everyone here agrees that at some point there must have been a creation, so actually, i belive in creation but not ID as there is no proof for ID, and there is proof for evolution, and ID and Evolution is copeting, not creation and evolution.

I can proove that you can go from.... something to something id rather think we say, as if you think of BigBang that theory and all other cannot be prooved nor disprooved, same with creation as creation is bigbang, renamed...

PS. watch the vids, you couldn`t have done it at the speed your comment was posted. :D if you do not, i must call you ignorant for the rest of your life! muahahahahha
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« Reply #168 on: 14 April 2010, 14:23:16 »
The big problem for you though, is that Evolution is mathematically impossible.

One of the reasons I believe Humans were created is because, they show signs of design, no random process like Evolution, could create anything so grand as a Human body.
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« Reply #169 on: 14 April 2010, 14:39:00 »
The human body weren`t created in 5000 years or so...
Please point the signs, all i see on the human body that is evolution is...everything, we are going on our feet because the on walking and reproduce in front were more adapted than the ones wanting to anal eachother and swing in the trees, therefore, we are now at the top of the... uhm, food-ladder.

Means, a human using it`s brain can kill any animal.

Most adapted:

  :O :O :O

Less adapted:

:O :O :O

Evolution of god   :angel: ;D ;D ;D



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The big problem for you though, is that Evolution is mathematically impossible.

No, it is possible, you don`t need faith, just a good mathematic brain  ;)
Saying it is impossible would be like saying that a aple can`t get rotten after some time!
Life had 5 billion years to come to the point were a cell could be created by the basix-molecules,atoms, dunt know how express...
The human body is not grand, if i understood the right meaning, like, good, perfect sumething like that, why is apes and human skeletons so similar, yet can`t mate?

arch, you agree with me that things could create in the begining, but i belive not my a ID, ETLF however...
So, the only despute we have is evolution?
But, just reminding you, watch the videos, and what signs of design is there?

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« Reply #170 on: 14 April 2010, 14:58:06 »
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Funny pics.

No it is not possible Gabriel, not at all.

You can't have random changes and expect to get improvements. Want me to give an example?



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The human body is not grand, if i understood the right meaning, like, good, perfect sumething like that, why is apes and human skeletons so similar, yet can`t mate?

Well, let's just say the Human body is amazing, because it is.
I'm just kinda curious why our digestive system is designed to process food, since Evolution relies on random mutations why isn't an apple deadly to us, why does our body know what to do with it.
I will not take, it just evolved into a digestive track, because random mutations and natural selection couldn't get anywhere close, and there is certainly no way Evolution could have a monkey turn into a man.
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« Reply #171 on: 14 April 2010, 15:02:02 »
I been watching the videos still not done.... you post too fast

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« Reply #172 on: 14 April 2010, 15:11:24 »
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You can't have random changes and expect to get improvements. Want me to give an example?

You can have random changes, and expect improvements in one of them, give me the example! examples are my food! my knowledge consumes examples to gain energy! give me some good examples that taste good, not the bad ones that i can produce in my ass!



An apple isn`t deadly to us, but it evolved to have that thick shelter around it to prevent some animals to eat it, but a aplle is not a plant, a tree however, that is one much better example, and a tree grew tall, just to prevent animals to get the food, and as i said, humans are on the top, and we can get almost anything we want, because of our knowledge! And our knowledge is not our souls, but our brains, and our brains isn`t anywere near amazing, it is only amazing compared to other species on earth, still, it have become better with the times. I posted something like this on another forum, as a response i had this: ass

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I'm just kinda curious why our digestive system is designed to process food,

Because without food, we couldn`t get bigger, nor more complex.

Reccomend you lookup thunderf00t on youtube, enlighening videos. (PM him, not post on the videos as you will get downrated)
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why does our body know what to do with it

uhm...there is one thing that is called instinct or sumthing...
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because random mutations and natural selection couldn't get anywhere close, and there is certainly no way Evolution could have a monkey turn into a man.

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thats large, but i googles, no smaller i found

I stop here because xx must get done watching videos...

nvm, i continue, and since, if i post a wiki link here, noones going to read, here is all that the wiki says, and if you answer as if you did not read it i assume you have not read it:
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The human brain is the center of the human nervous system and is a highly complex organ. Enclosed in the cranium, it has the same general structure as the brains of other mammals, but is over three times as large as the brain of a typical mammal with an equivalent body size.[1]  Most of the expansion comes from the cerebral cortex, a convoluted layer of neural tissue that covers the surface of the forebrain. Especially expanded are the frontal lobes, which are involved in executive functions such as self-control, planning, reasoning, and abstract thought. The portion of the brain devoted to vision is also greatly enlarged in human beings.

Brain evolution, from the earliest shrewlike mammals through primates to hominids, is marked by a steady increase in encephalization, or the ratio of brain to body size. The human brain has been estimated to contain 50–100 billion (1011) neurons, of which about 10 billion (1010) are cortical pyramidal cells. These cells pass signals to each other via as many as 1000 trillion (1015) synaptic connections.[2]

The brain monitors and regulates the body's actions and reactions. It continuously receives sensory information, and rapidly analyzes this data and then responds, controlling bodily actions and functions. The brainstem controls breathing, heart rate, and other autonomic processes. The neocortex is the center of higher-order thinking, learning, and memory. The cerebellum is responsible for the body's balance, posture, and the coordination of movement.

In spite of the fact that it is protected by the thick bones of the skull, suspended in cerebrospinal fluid, and isolated from the bloodstream by the blood-brain barrier, the delicate nature of the human brain makes it susceptible to many types of damage and disease. The most common forms of physical damage are closed head injuries such as a blow to the head, a stroke, or poisoning by a wide variety of chemicals that can act as neurotoxins. Infection of the brain is rare because of the barriers that protect it, but is very serious when it occurs. The human brain is also susceptible to degenerative disorders, such as Parkinson's disease, multiple sclerosis, and Alzheimer's disease. A number of psychiatric conditions, such as schizophrenia and depression, are widely thought to be caused at least partially by brain dysfunctions, although the nature of such brain anomalies is not well understood.
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Here is how evolution of brain works, it is just like all the others:

In a long time ago there were several types of humans, homo sapiens, homo erectus etc.
lets say, the whiter the dots are, the less brain capacity do they have, and the less forthought they make about their descissions.
Then after that is said, look:


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Adaptation is the evolutionary process whereby a population becomes better suited to its habitat.[1][2]  This process takes place over many generations,[3]  and is one of the basic phenomena of biology.[4]

The term adaptation may also refer to a feature which is especially important for an organism's survival.[5] For example, the adaptation of horses' teeth to the grinding of grass, or their ability to run fast and escape predators. Such adaptations are produced in a variable population by the better suited forms reproducing more successfully, that is, by natural selection.

Heres from wikia how something evolves, (PS. why don`t you use wikia creation?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_creation

Here is how matter is creation, from the creation section of wikipedia.

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Strict creationists[12]  believe that evolution cannot adequately account for the history, diversity, and complexity of life on Earth

I think you fit the description arch :)
(Enlight me of adequately means plz)
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xxcatmysteryxx

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Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #173 on: 14 April 2010, 15:43:29 »
we couldn't have been created because who would have been the creater some believe its God but it can't be because he would also have to have been created or whatever because where would HE get the intellegence the answer is evolution. I can see the point of intellgent design because of the chance of how we did evolve is many to believe impossible and of how the DNA adds up and just one little fault can change alot. We are similar to many animals by there DNA we share similar traits with monkeys thats why many people thinks we evolved from monkeys but really it could have been anything. We share 50 percent of genes with a bananna I find that pretty funny because we eat them along with many other foods. I read this somewhere but I can't really remember where but I kinda wonder how a bananna has genes ... oh wait was it atoms no because genes are many atoms together into one thing called a gene. So that proves we couldn't have been designed because the way the genes are make up what the product is animals,food,..etc.

Gabbe

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Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #174 on: 14 April 2010, 15:52:18 »
a banan can be "defect" and it`s definately not perfect

And we share like 99% of our genes with the chimpanzee