Religous Debates

[Gabbe]

I don't believe in a 2012 catastrophe but the world will eventually end no matter what

How do you know?

[Zoythrus]

Gabbe, you are wrong, we have disproved your statements just as well as you have disproved ours. we are on equal terms, and nothing will end this stalemate (yes, this is a stalemate). no matter how much "evidence" that you bring up, we will find someway to make you think about your decision.

[Gabbe]

Gabbe, you are wrong, we have disproved your statements just as well as you have disproved ours. we are on equal terms, and nothing will end this stalemate (yes, this is a stalemate). no matter how much "evidence" that you bring up, we will find someway to make you think about your decision.

THEN READ MY WHOLE POST AND THEN SPEAK INSTEAD OF JUST BE IGNORANT

i heard that creatures had to evolve the ability to reproduce

You probably hear that on a creationist forum/new/site/video?
Sorry, but that is not a reliable source. ever heard that cells duplicate? like, they divide and become two cells.

when has a random mutation ever been helpful

Some bacteria evolved defences against antibiotics/antibiotica, you don`t have to view it as helpfull for the human race, it was helpfull for the bacteria.

There! evolution debunked...

Sorry, but that was not the case.

last time i checked, sickle cell anemia was a bad thing

last time you checked...Do you ever check out things that doesn`t support your belief? NO.

you cant say that it took millions of generations to "invent" sex

We don`t.

Evolution randomly spits out mutations and the bad ones die out

You cross-over!   "nothing is random, but evolution is  as close as it gets"?
I say, "Nothing is random, so is evolution" There are several causes for mutation, the environment, the other beings, maybe even  damage taken from another specie? When mothers give birth after they had a drink, the baby has some chance of getting mutated. There are so many factors that i cannot list them all here.
70 percent of all mutations are bad, but still there are 30% who doesn`t and then im not including the mutations we don`t notice wich doesn`t cause any damage at all!
Now you might argue that then since 70% are bad species will have gotten extinct a long time ago, but, the mutations only occur at one of the individuals, then if it is bad, that creature will die and not reproduce, if it is good, it will have a advantage over the other members of the specie, and evolve. There are of course individuals without mutations, and they are the majority, so if a good mutation shows up, it will reproduce more quickly, with taking less damage than the other members.
A harmful mutation decreases the individuals rate of survival in the environment.
If the mutation is beneficial however, it will increase the fitness of the individual and/or promote traits that are desireable.

Here is from wikipedia:

Mutations are changes in the DNA sequence of a cell's genome  and are caused by radiation, viruses, transposons  and mutagenic chemicals, as well as errors that occur during meiosis or DNA replication

Beneficial mutations

Although most mutations that change protein sequences are neutral or harmful, some mutations have a positive effect on an organism. In this case, the mutation may enable the mutant organism to withstand particular environmental stresses better than wild-type organisms, or reproduce more quickly. In these cases a mutation will tend to become more common in a population through natural selection.

For example, a specific 32 base pair deletion in human CCR5 (CCR5-Δ32) confers HIV resistance to homozygotes and delays AIDS onset in heterozygotes. The CCR5 mutation is more common in those of European descent. One possible explanation of the etiology of the relatively high frequency of CCR5-Δ32 in the European population is that it conferred resistance to the bubonic plague in mid-14th century Europe. People with this mutation were more likely to survive infection; thus its frequency in the population increased. This theory could explain why this mutation is not found in southern Africa, where the bubonic plague never reached. A newer theory suggests that the selective pressure on the CCR5 Delta 32 mutation was caused by smallpox instead of the bubonic plague.

Another example, is Sickle cell disease which is a blood disorder in which the body produces an abnormal type of the oxygen-carrying substance hemoglobin in the red blood cells. One-third of all indigenous inhabitants of Sub-Saharan Africa carry the gene, because in areas where malaria is common, there is a survival value in carrying only a single sickle-cell gene (sickle cell trait). Those with only one of the two alleles of the sickle-cell disease are more resistant to malaria, since the infestation of the malaria plasmodium is halted by the sickling of the cells which it infests.

Since devolution's going on now, why can't it always have been going on

Why can`t Evolution and "Devolution" have been going on at the same time? It can have been always going on, but evolution has too.
Don`t tell me you seriously belive that "man used to be higher than a house and now theyr growing smaller and weaker and dumber"?

Yah, you have to have random chance create reproduction with a female and a male at around the same time, and the male has to be attracted to the female and every little detail has to be perfect or else reproduction couldn't happen.

A simple answer would be: NO
A scientific answer would be long and boring:

The details of the female doesn`t have to be perfect, but occasionally you will meet someone with almost the exact deatails you need, then you will fell in the phenomenon "Love", your statement is not objective, without any evidence to support it. This is what evolution call: Species.

The guy is going to have to evolve his genitals and the female must evolve hers, and they have to be compatible. Besides how's the guy going to evolve his genitals, a little sensitive lump evolving to genitals?

I understood very little of that, but i`ll try.
The genitials doesn`t have to be compatible,there is no such thing as exact compatible if thats what your pointing to. that is something called what? a specie?

Anyway, you still have to get the female and the male before any of that........... No Opinion

Simply, no, you must have the chromozomes to reproduce sexually, asexually however you will only need one individual, a cell for example.

Nice that there is more creationists, hmm... there should be a poll: Creationism or Evoltuion...

[Zoythrus]

i have read your post, and i am sorry that it has come to yelling (caps lock doesnt make you smarter [Nor larger size! - @kukac@]). the whole reason that i dislike evolution is because i find fault in the concept of life being entirely by chance. if life is by chance, what is there to live for? maybe life is all about money, women, and power; but where will that get us? we arent taking any of that stuff with us, so why strive to live for it?

[Gabbe]

i have read your post, and i am sorry that it has come to yelling (caps lock doesnt make you smarter). the whole reason that i dislike evolution is because i find fault in the concept of life being entirely by chance. if life is by chance, what is there to live for? maybe life is all about money, women, and power; but where will that get us? we arent taking any of that stuff with us, so why strive to live for it?

Seriously...

READ

It is answered in the post already

[wyvern]

How do you know?

The sun will die because everything dies eventually, and stars dying have been observed by scientists and our sun is a star meaning it will eventually die as well

i have read your post, and i am sorry that it has come to yelling (caps lock doesnt make you smarter). the whole reason that i dislike evolution is because i find fault in the concept of life being entirely by chance. if life is by chance, what is there to live for? maybe life is all about money, women, and power; but where will that get us? we arent taking any of that stuff with us, so why strive to live for it?

Life is about living it to its fullest, and people try to achieve things to prove that they are great and so that they can be remembered in the future

[Zoythrus]

i did, and you say nothing about morals or life. maybe you should read your post

[Gabbe]

he whole reason that i dislike evolution is because i find fault in the concept of life being entirely by chance

You must read yours.

The sun will die because everything dies eventually, and stars dying have been observed by scientists and our sun is a star meaning it will eventually die as well

What if we escaped before the three billion years (yes that is estimated how long the suns going to last before half-way explode and suck the planets up) have passed and found a new system?

Life is about living it to its fullest, and people try to achieve things to prove that they are great and so that they can be remembered in the future

Or do so much badass things that you will be remembered nah just joking. Thats what i think too

if life is by chance

What in  the blood hell makes you think that? 

maybe life is all about money, women, and power; but where will that get us

I like all of these things, ima die anyway so why not enjoy it?

we arent taking any of that stuff with us, so why strive to live for it

I don`t belive in any afterlife, why not just enjoy your time still alive?
Actually, according to science, you will "reappear" if your atmos transfer to be in the exact same position as your atoms have now, and it must be EXACT!

So the real reason you belive in creationism is because of your lusts? and that you really thinks evolution is true, but you don`t want to? Trust me, it doesn`t make you suicidal or anything, im not suicidal so?

[Zoythrus]

wouldnt it be better to have something or someone to live for than to walk the earth aimlessly?

If you want to disprove Creationism once and for all, i want you to read the whole Bible (the main source of my beliefs) and then make an educated decision.

[Gabbe]

i have... it is said earlier in the topic

[Zoythrus]

all of it? from cover to cover?

[Gabbe]

yup, i used to be a christian, then i read the bible and made my decision. Next question please?

[Zoythrus]

what caused you to turn from faith?

[Gabbe]

Logic. DNA. Science. Reason.

[Zoythrus]

im sorry it was that way, but then once again - we'll all find out who's right when we are finally laid to rest...

[-Archmage-]

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i heard that creatures had to evolve the ability to reproduce

You probably hear that on a creationist forum/new/site/video?
Sorry, but that is not a reliable source. ever heard that cells duplicate? like, they divide and become two cells.

We're talking about two creatures coming together to produce one creature, much more complicated.

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Evolution randomly spits out mutations and the bad ones die out

You cross-over!  Huh? "nothing is random, but evolution is  as close as it gets"?
I say, "Nothing is random, so is evolution" There are several causes for mutation, the environment, the other beings, maybe even  damage taken from another specie? When mothers give birth after they had a drink, the baby has some chance of getting mutated. There are so many factors that i cannot list them all here.

Evolution is unpredictable, basically random, but nothing in the universe is truely random, "random" things just appear to be random. [You are the only one, who said it's random. If you wouldn't have noticed, evolution is "getting used to the environment" - @kukac@]
The thing is, that the chances for Evolution having success are so minimal that you might as well call it random.

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Since devolution's going on now, why can't it always have been going on

Why can`t Evolution and "Devolution" have been going on at the same time? It can have been always going on, but evolution has too.
Don`t tell me you seriously belive that "man used to be higher than a house and now theyr growing smaller and weaker and dumber"?

*facepalm*
You obviously don't know the meaning of complexity, and you also don't seem to understand how complex the Human body is. [And would it work, if it would be less complex? - @kukac@]

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Yah, you have to have random chance create reproduction with a female and a male at around the same time, and the male has to be attracted to the female and every little detail has to be perfect or else reproduction couldn't happen.

A simple answer would be: NO
A scientific answer would be long and boring:

The details of the female doesn`t have to be perfect, but occasionally you will meet someone with almost the exact deatails you need, then you will fell in the phenomenon "Love", your statement is not objective, without any evidence to support it. This is what evolution call: Species.

Not perfect, but each individuals genitals have to be the right size so they fit.
Why don't you read up on sex, it's not just this goes in this and boom stuff comes out and then a baby appears if a little creature found an egg thingy.

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The guy is going to have to evolve his genitals and the female must evolve hers, and they have to be compatible. Besides how's the guy going to evolve his genitals, a little sensitive lump evolving to genitals?

I understood very little of that, but i`ll try.
The genitials doesn`t have to be compatible,there is no such thing as exact compatible if thats what your pointing to. that is something called what? a specie?

Of course they have to be compatible, you can't have two "openings", you have to have something to go into that opening.

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Anyway, you still have to get the female and the male before any of that........... No Opinion

Simply, no, you must have the chromozomes to reproduce sexually, asexually however you will only need one individual, a cell for example.

Gabbe, a male and a female are required to have sex, that's undisputable.

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i got it from here. if you think about it, evolution just doesnt add up! it takes more faith to believe in random chance than it does to believe in a Creator. it just seems so simple, maybe you are just thinking too hard.

Cell division is the process by which a parent cell divides into two or more daughter cells. And then again the daughter cells are fully capable of reproducing theyr next generation, such goes on until we get larger organisms. Maybe you should think a little more about something before making up your mind?

Dude, you have to have mutations to change the genes, and those mutations are pretty much random, hoping that random chance is going to get you from a cell to a Human is completely foolish.

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if you think about it

Let me continue that: ,Noone of the creationism arguments seems pretty reliable, nor do they have references, nor do they have tests, nor do they use science, nor do they observe, nor do they check every little detail about htier own theory, nor are they going to give up their faith because someonje shows them facts.

You are the ones that do not observe, you are the ones that do not refer to science and logic.

Neither evolution nor Creationism can be fully proved, for none of us were actually there when it happened.

Creationism is fully provable, the fossil record, science, logic, everything is under Creationisms house, whereas evolutionism's sitting on thin rotten pegs, which supprising haven't fallen.

Gabbe, you are wrong, we have disproved your statements just as well as you have disproved ours. we are on equal terms, and nothing will end this stalemate (yes, this is a stalemate). no matter how much "evidence" that you bring up, we will find someway to make you think about your decision.

No Creationism is winning incredibly here, Gabbe, apparently doesn't realize that.

i have read your post, and i am sorry that it has come to yelling (caps lock doesnt make you smarter). the whole reason that i dislike evolution is because i find fault in the concept of life being entirely by chance. if life is by chance, what is there to live for? maybe life is all about money, women, and power; but where will that get us? we arent taking any of that stuff with us, so why strive to live for it?

I agree, although morality issues is not the only reason I'm against Evolution, in fact the morality issues simply provide a drive for me to debate this.

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i have read your post, and i am sorry that it has come to yelling (caps lock doesnt make you smarter). the whole reason that i dislike evolution is because i find fault in the concept of life being entirely by chance. if life is by chance, what is there to live for? maybe life is all about money, women, and power; but where will that get us? we arent taking any of that stuff with us, so why strive to live for it?

Life is about living it to its fullest, and people try to achieve things to prove that they are great and so that they can be remembered in the future

What's the point of living life to it's fullest? It doesn't matter in a meaningless and pointless world.

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he whole reason that i dislike evolution is because i find fault in the concept of life being entirely by chance

You must read yours.

What's so strange and impossible about our theory, we believe in a creator, just a being of some sort that created us, no random crap like evolution.

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The sun will die because everything dies eventually, and stars dying have been observed by scientists and our sun is a star meaning it will eventually die as well

What if we escaped before the three billion years (yes that is estimated how long the suns going to last before half-way explode and suck the planets up) have passed and found a new system?

Gabbe, that's 5.54billion last I checked, and it's probably going to be a long time before we get into space more.

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Life is about living it to its fullest, and people try to achieve things to prove that they are great and so that they can be remembered in the future

Or do so much badass things that you will be remembered Smile nah just joking. Thats what i think too

Again, what's the point?

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if life is by chance

What in  the blood hell makes you think that?  Shocked Laughing

If evolution were true then life would've been a product of chance.

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maybe life is all about money, women, and power; but where will that get us

I like all of these things, ima die anyway so why not enjoy it?

Yah, but why don't you go and fuck every hot girl you see, why don't you torture people for fun, it really doesn't matter in a pointless world.

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we arent taking any of that stuff with us, so why strive to live for it

I don`t belive in any afterlife, why not just enjoy your time still alive?
Actually, according to science, you will "reappear" if your atmos transfer to be in the exact same position as your atoms have now, and it must be EXACT!

So the real reason you belive in creationism is because of your lusts? and that you really thinks evolution is true, but you don`t want to? Trust me, it doesn`t make you suicidal or anything, im not suicidal so?

HA!
Darwin didn't want to believe in God, so he came up with Evolution. Now you're accusing the people that don't believe in your theory of random chance, because you think they don't want to believe in Evolution? I don't want to believe in Evolution, but whether I want to or not, it's an impossible and unworkable theory! Whereas, Creation is a perfectly logical, and reasonable.

Logic. DNA. Science. Reason.

Funny how logic, science, and reason, are totally against evolution..........

im sorry it was that way, but then once again - we'll all find out who's right when we are finally laid to rest...

Why wait?

[wyvern]

Gabbe, that's 5.54billion last I checked, and it's probably going to be a long time before we get into space more.

We may die out or survive but it probably won't affect us in 5 billion years

[1purplecow]

As far as I know, the Bible is its own defense.  Christianity has evolved in some cases, not all, but more importantly it has not gone extinct.  Even WHEN believers mess up, AS WE'RE JUST A BUNCH OF HUMANS, FLIPPEDY GUINEA PIG, this belief hasn't died out.  It has gone contradicted, but on the humans' part.  While humans can be unreliable, we are also good messengers.  I'm a Creationist; a follower of God.  In a world of veils, I can only do my part and hope not to get caught going in circles, though it will happen.   The only thing I can truly "prove" (and to myself alone) . . . "Cogito ergo sum."  But God to me is worth it.

[Gabbe]

Nice arch, seems your fellow creationist doesn`t have the courage to answer any questions.

We're talking about two creatures coming together to produce one creature, much more complicated.

Ah, yep, and those two creatures constist of what? cells? and what do cells do?

But those two creatures had to evolve from soemthing and

i heard that creatures had to evolve

Evolution is unpredictable, basically random, but nothing in the universe is truely random, "random" things just appear to be random.
The thing is, that the chances for Evolution having success are so minimal that you might as well call it random.

That one is already answered

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You cross-over!  Huh? "nothing is random, but evolution is  as close as it gets"?
I say, "Nothing is random, so is evolution" There are several causes for mutation, the environment, the other beings, maybe even  damage taken from another specie? When mothers give birth after they had a drink, the baby has some chance of getting mutated. There are so many factors that i cannot list them all here.
70 percent of all mutations are bad, but still there are 30% who doesn`t and then im not including the mutations we don`t notice wich doesn`t cause any damage at all!
Now you might argue that then since 70% are bad species will have gotten extinct a long time ago, but, the mutations only occur at one of the individuals, then if it is bad, that creature will die and not reproduce, if it is good, it will have a advantage over the other members of the specie, and evolve. There are of course individuals without mutations, and they are the majority, so if a good mutation shows up, it will reproduce more quickly, with taking less damage than the other members.
A harmful mutation decreases the individuals rate of survival in the environment.
If the mutation is beneficial however, it will increase the fitness of the individual and/or promote traits that are desireable.

Here is from wikipedia:

Mutations are changes in the DNA sequence of a cell's genome  and are caused by radiation, viruses, transposons  and mutagenic chemicals, as well as errors that occur during meiosis or DNA replication

Beneficial mutations

Although most mutations that change protein sequences are neutral or harmful, some mutations have a positive effect on an organism. In this case, the mutation may enable the mutant organism to withstand particular environmental stresses better than wild-type organisms, or reproduce more quickly. In these cases a mutation will tend to become more common in a population through natural selection.

For example, a specific 32 base pair deletion in human CCR5 (CCR5-Δ32) confers HIV resistance to homozygotes and delays AIDS onset in heterozygotes. The CCR5 mutation is more common in those of European descent. One possible explanation of the etiology of the relatively high frequency of CCR5-Δ32 in the European population is that it conferred resistance to the bubonic plague in mid-14th century Europe. People with this mutation were more likely to survive infection; thus its frequency in the population increased. This theory could explain why this mutation is not found in southern Africa, where the bubonic plague never reached. A newer theory suggests that the selective pressure on the CCR5 Delta 32 mutation was caused by smallpox instead of the bubonic plague.

Another example, is Sickle cell disease which is a blood disorder in which the body produces an abnormal type of the oxygen-carrying substance hemoglobin in the red blood cells. One-third of all indigenous inhabitants of Sub-Saharan Africa carry the gene, because in areas where malaria is common, there is a survival value in carrying only a single sickle-cell gene (sickle cell trait). Those with only one of the two alleles of the sickle-cell disease are more resistant to malaria, since the infestation of the malaria plasmodium is halted by the sickling of the cells which it infests.

*facepalm*
You obviously don't know the meaning of complexity, and you also don't seem to understand how complex the Human body is.

Here:

Not perfect, but each individuals genitals have to be the right size so they fit.
Why don't you read up on sex, it's not just this goes in this and boom stuff comes out and then a baby appears if a little creature found an egg thingy.

I know how sex works thank you. The objective statement (the first one) has to complex english for me to understand and translate properly to norwegian so i can understand the meaning.

Of course they have to be compatible, you can't have two "openings", you have to have something to go into that opening.

If you ment that compatible, then yes.

Gabbe, a male and a female are required to have sex, that's undisputable.

For you without the understanding, maybe, the cells that were the first organisms reproduced, without being male and female, we have various examples today too, and those examples can be observed, sorry, but the bible isn`t a scientific correct book.

Dude, you have to have mutations to change the genes, and those mutations are pretty much random, hoping that random chance is going to get you from a cell to a Human is completely foolish.

I could`ve been a bot, so many times i have to post the exact same thing, now please

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You cross-over!  Huh? "nothing is random, but evolution is  as close as it gets"?
I say, "Nothing is random, so is evolution" There are several causes for mutation, the environment, the other beings, maybe even  damage taken from another specie? When mothers give birth after they had a drink, the baby has some chance of getting mutated. There are so many factors that i cannot list them all here.
70 percent of all mutations are bad, but still there are 30% who doesn`t and then im not including the mutations we don`t notice wich doesn`t cause any damage at all!
Now you might argue that then since 70% are bad species will have gotten extinct a long time ago, but, the mutations only occur at one of the individuals, then if it is bad, that creature will die and not reproduce, if it is good, it will have a advantage over the other members of the specie, and evolve. There are of course individuals without mutations, and they are the majority, so if a good mutation shows up, it will reproduce more quickly, with taking less damage than the other members.
A harmful mutation decreases the individuals rate of survival in the environment.
If the mutation is beneficial however, it will increase the fitness of the individual and/or promote traits that are desireable.

Here is from wikipedia:

Mutations are changes in the DNA sequence of a cell's genome  and are caused by radiation, viruses, transposons  and mutagenic chemicals, as well as errors that occur during meiosis or DNA replication

Beneficial mutations

Although most mutations that change protein sequences are neutral or harmful, some mutations have a positive effect on an organism. In this case, the mutation may enable the mutant organism to withstand particular environmental stresses better than wild-type organisms, or reproduce more quickly. In these cases a mutation will tend to become more common in a population through natural selection.

For example, a specific 32 base pair deletion in human CCR5 (CCR5-Δ32) confers HIV resistance to homozygotes and delays AIDS onset in heterozygotes. The CCR5 mutation is more common in those of European descent. One possible explanation of the etiology of the relatively high frequency of CCR5-Δ32 in the European population is that it conferred resistance to the bubonic plague in mid-14th century Europe. People with this mutation were more likely to survive infection; thus its frequency in the population increased. This theory could explain why this mutation is not found in southern Africa, where the bubonic plague never reached. A newer theory suggests that the selective pressure on the CCR5 Delta 32 mutation was caused by smallpox instead of the bubonic plague.

Another example, is Sickle cell disease which is a blood disorder in which the body produces an abnormal type of the oxygen-carrying substance hemoglobin in the red blood cells. One-third of all indigenous inhabitants of Sub-Saharan Africa carry the gene, because in areas where malaria is common, there is a survival value in carrying only a single sickle-cell gene (sickle cell trait). Those with only one of the two alleles of the sickle-cell disease are more resistant to malaria, since the infestation of the malaria plasmodium is halted by the sickling of the cells which it infests.

You are the ones that do not observe, you are the ones that do not refer to science and logic. No Opinion

Observe a god create life?
It`s illogical to refer to something which has never been seen.

Creationism is fully provable, the fossil record, science, logic, everything is under Creationisms house, whereas evolutionism's sitting on thin rotten pegs, which supprising haven't fallen.

Stop being ridicolous!

Creationism  Evolution
God              The Fossil Record
Bible             Science (evolution supported by 94% of the scientific community)
Faith            Logic

No Creationism is winning incredibly here, Gabbe, apparently doesn't realize that.

No...Other way around...Your stupidity within the subject do no longer amuse me...
Point me to one question answered within science.

I agree, although morality issues is not the only reason I'm against Evolution, in fact the morality issues simply provide a drive for me to debate this.

If that is a "drive" for you, i fail to see were truth drives you. Blind faith is the only kind.

 

What's the point of living life to it's fullest? It doesn't matter in a meaningless and pointless world.

Agreed, but to our brain, it isn`t meaningless...

What's so strange and impossible about our theory, we believe in a creator, just a being of some sort that created us, no random crap like evolution.

Gods strange and impossible

And now im really pissed to have to quote this the 5th time or sumething...

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You cross-over!  Huh? "nothing is random, but evolution is  as close as it gets"?
I say, "Nothing is random, so is evolution" There are several causes for mutation, the environment, the other beings, maybe even  damage taken from another specie? When mothers give birth after they had a drink, the baby has some chance of getting mutated. There are so many factors that i cannot list them all here.
70 percent of all mutations are bad, but still there are 30% who doesn`t and then im not including the mutations we don`t notice wich doesn`t cause any damage at all!
Now you might argue that then since 70% are bad species will have gotten extinct a long time ago, but, the mutations only occur at one of the individuals, then if it is bad, that creature will die and not reproduce, if it is good, it will have a advantage over the other members of the specie, and evolve. There are of course individuals without mutations, and they are the majority, so if a good mutation shows up, it will reproduce more quickly, with taking less damage than the other members.
A harmful mutation decreases the individuals rate of survival in the environment.
If the mutation is beneficial however, it will increase the fitness of the individual and/or promote traits that are desireable.

Here is from wikipedia:

Mutations are changes in the DNA sequence of a cell's genome  and are caused by radiation, viruses, transposons  and mutagenic chemicals, as well as errors that occur during meiosis or DNA replication

Beneficial mutations

Although most mutations that change protein sequences are neutral or harmful, some mutations have a positive effect on an organism. In this case, the mutation may enable the mutant organism to withstand particular environmental stresses better than wild-type organisms, or reproduce more quickly. In these cases a mutation will tend to become more common in a population through natural selection.

For example, a specific 32 base pair deletion in human CCR5 (CCR5-Δ32) confers HIV resistance to homozygotes and delays AIDS onset in heterozygotes. The CCR5 mutation is more common in those of European descent. One possible explanation of the etiology of the relatively high frequency of CCR5-Δ32 in the European population is that it conferred resistance to the bubonic plague in mid-14th century Europe. People with this mutation were more likely to survive infection; thus its frequency in the population increased. This theory could explain why this mutation is not found in southern Africa, where the bubonic plague never reached. A newer theory suggests that the selective pressure on the CCR5 Delta 32 mutation was caused by smallpox instead of the bubonic plague.

Another example, is Sickle cell disease which is a blood disorder in which the body produces an abnormal type of the oxygen-carrying substance hemoglobin in the red blood cells. One-third of all indigenous inhabitants of Sub-Saharan Africa carry the gene, because in areas where malaria is common, there is a survival value in carrying only a single sickle-cell gene (sickle cell trait). Those with only one of the two alleles of the sickle-cell disease are more resistant to malaria, since the infestation of the malaria plasmodium is halted by the sickling of the cells which it infests.

Funny how logic, science, and reason, are totally against evolution..........

No? Alot of creationists are ignorant, your just another of the 5% supporting creation in our society.

Why wait?

Illogical ALERT! CREATIONIST IS BEING STUPID! AGAIN!

Here is your logical origin:

[Zoythrus]

you keep citing a piece of info that shows the adaptability of organisms. Adaptability and Evolution are two similar, but completely different, things.

if you want to stop mentioning it, then stop mentioning it!

No matter how much you dispute it, Gabbe, we Creationists will keep fighting until we get the Word out. We will not be crushed under the treads of this so-called "Science."

[wyvern]

I find both of these theories hard to believe, though I'm inclined to the evolutionist side, I find it hard to believe that a human evolved from a fish , but I also find it hard to believe in one super being

[Zoythrus]

humans evolving from fish is impossible to begin with; a 5-year-old could tell you that.

and wouldnt you like to know that you are being looked out for by a "Super Being" than believing that you are entirely by chance?

[-Archmage-]

*facepalm*

Gabbe, you are outrageous........................


Ok Gabbe, since your so convinced that the fossil record is on your side, would you mind telling us how the Cambrian Explosion fits into your belief?

[wyvern]

I do not think that their is a superbeing because no scientific evidence has proved it so far, once you find a good argument, I'll accept that I'm beat, but nothing so far, on either side has supported such a decision.

[-Archmage-]

Watch "The Case for a Creator", if you want to see good solid proof that there is a creator.