Author Topic: Religous Debates  (Read 97100 times)

@kukac@

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #500 on: 14 May 2010, 14:57:17 »
Jesus' criminal record: Broke the laws of physics.

Gabbe

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #501 on: 14 May 2010, 15:15:35 »
Jesus' criminal record: Broke the laws of physics.

?

John.d.h

  • Moderator
  • Airship
  • ********
  • Posts: 3,757
  • I have to go now. My planet needs me.
    • View Profile
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #502 on: 14 May 2010, 16:46:06 »
Anybody want to weigh in on reincarnation?

Gabbe

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #503 on: 14 May 2010, 16:55:54 »
john, not happening. Noone can proove it oh well, most here can`t be prooved anyways... ::) ::) ::) ::)

John.d.h

  • Moderator
  • Airship
  • ********
  • Posts: 3,757
  • I have to go now. My planet needs me.
    • View Profile
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #504 on: 14 May 2010, 20:03:00 »
lol Well I'm just tired of the evolution argument, since it's been going on for ages and is going nowhere fast. :P

Gabbe

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #505 on: 14 May 2010, 20:49:37 »
well actually, if evolution is false, how to proove creation, if think evolution were 1:999999999999999999999999999999 or something, how would you proove creation? then we come to these arguments: "its obvious" "look at the trees" "look at the sky" or anything like that.

Evolution 1:999999999999999999999

Creation 1: infinity

Who would you side with?

Hectate

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #506 on: 15 May 2010, 05:08:25 »
lol Well I'm just tired of the evolution argument, since it's been going on for ages and is going nowhere fast. :P
Agreed! In fact, I nearly stated as much in my post on the last page, but was ignored.

Reincarnation? I'll bite. Theologically, what purpose does it serve? I've heard it's mainly related to ones "karma" that determines what one would come back as?

It seems that forgetting past lifes would be no different than never having them. It's not information that can be accessed so it won't effect ones behavior. Unless of course the idea includes the concwpt of people's personalities (attitudes and behaviors) are influenced by way of ones whole (all lives) being.

So, what do you thin k or have read/heard, John?

Omega

  • MegaGlest Team
  • Dragon
  • ********
  • Posts: 6,167
  • Professional bug writer
    • View Profile
    • Personal site
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #507 on: 15 May 2010, 06:54:46 »
Jesus is the son of god! Are you telling me the son of god, who's father created the rules of this world, can't bend one of them?
Edit the MegaGlest wiki: http://docs.megaglest.org/

My personal projects: http://github.com/KatrinaHoffert

Gabbe

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #508 on: 15 May 2010, 07:28:27 »
Jesus was a ordinary man from the middle east, are you telling the that the ordinary man from the middle east, who got a regular father like all of us, can bend the rules of the universe?

Omega

  • MegaGlest Team
  • Dragon
  • ********
  • Posts: 6,167
  • Professional bug writer
    • View Profile
    • Personal site
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #509 on: 15 May 2010, 07:31:50 »
Except that he WASN'T an ordinary man and DIDN'T have an ordinary father.
Edit the MegaGlest wiki: http://docs.megaglest.org/

My personal projects: http://github.com/KatrinaHoffert

Gabbe

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #510 on: 15 May 2010, 07:40:07 »
i know, he was the result of that Maria cheated on someone right?

Seanachaidh

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #511 on: 16 May 2010, 00:33:42 »
i know, he was the result of that Maria cheated on someone right?

And you critcized me on not knowing the different between debate and argument?

wyvern

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #512 on: 16 May 2010, 01:59:08 »
This arguments pathetic, ehem, this brawl is pathetic, its gonna end just like evolution vs. creation which I admit I was involved in, in a stalemate that takes up pages of posts >:( >:( >:( :bomb: :wicked: :wicked:

John.d.h

  • Moderator
  • Airship
  • ********
  • Posts: 3,757
  • I have to go now. My planet needs me.
    • View Profile
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #513 on: 16 May 2010, 04:12:38 »
Agreed! In fact, I nearly stated as much in my post on the last page, but was ignored.
I picked up on it, but I think just about everybody has picked their topic/battle. ::)

Quote
Reincarnation? I'll bite. Theologically, what purpose does it serve? I've heard it's mainly related to ones "karma" that determines what one would come back as?
Yeah, all of the religions believing in reincarnation that I'm familiar with have some kind of karma system, under various names.  The Hindus believe in both good and bad karma, while the Jains believe all karma is bad and thus, you should try to interfere with the world as much as possible, because you might accidentally cause harm (like swallowing a bug, which is why their monks wear coverings over their mouths).  I seem to remember something about the Aztecs believing warriors came back to life as butterflies, which I guess is pretty cool if you like killing people and tasting with your feet.

Quote
It seems that forgetting past lifes would be no different than never having them. It's not information that can be accessed so it won't effect ones behavior. Unless of course the idea includes the concwpt of people's personalities (attitudes and behaviors) are influenced by way of ones whole (all lives) being.
My understanding of the Hindu view is that everything about your life is the result of your karma, so it's not just that you're born a human, but also that you're born in such-and-such a caste to parents of such-and-such socioeconomic status, etc., and I think they believe that karma keeps going through all your lives.  Rollover karma, I guess you could say.  A side effect of this is that their religion doesn't require them to help people, because if something bad is happening to someone it's their own fault for being a bad person/snake/badger a couple hundred years ago.  I'm not sure about Buddhists, Jains, Scientologists, or others on that matter.

There's a huge problem I have with the "past-life hypnosis" stuff.  Unless your past lives are somehow embedded in your brain during your future lives, it just doesn't make sense... and then wouldn't they build up over time until there wasn't room?  Maybe that's why I'm so easily distracted. :look:

I think it's safe to say that a fear of death is pretty universal among humanity.  As far as I know, every religion believes in an afterlife, even if they don't believe in a god/gods (like Buddhists).  Think about how defensive people get when you attack their identity (call some random guy a fag or a bad father and see what happens1), and what's more threatening to your identity than the thought that in 100 years you won't even exist at all?  You die, your corpse rots, and for the most part everybody forgets you ever existed and probably nothing you did in life will even matter in the long run.  Depressing, ain't it?  The second part is the fear of the unknown.  Try to imagine not existing.  I bet you can't.  You might be able to imagine, say, being surrounded by nothingness, darkness, sensory deprivation, whatever, but imagine not existing.  Not even your mind exists, so you can't even know you're dead.  There's not even a "you" to not be able to think about not existing. (I think I should stop before I confuse myself. :confused:)  Anyway, I think that's a big reason why all societies come up with a concept of the afterlife.  It's a lot easier than imagining the possibility of not having one.

From a societal perspective, I think that beliefs about the afterlife serve a big purpose when it comes to people's behavior.  Quite simply, if your death is going to be the same as everybody else's no matter what and nothing you do in life really matters to anybody in a couple centuries, why do anything but enjoy what little time you have left (at the expense of everyone else if need be, since their lives don't matter either)?  Why should I risk my life for anything if death is the most terrifying thing possible?  Believing that you will get some kind of reward or punishment for their deeds gives people a sense of purpose, that they should do a, b, and c, but not x, y, and z (fill in the variables for whatever religion you like) because what you do in life does matter.  Without an afterlife, life is depressing, our actions are pointless, and death is terrifying.

Honestly, I have no idea what awaits me when I die, and it's scary.  If the Baptists or Buddhists are right then I'll be fine, but if the Catholics or Atheists are right then I'm doomed in the worst ways imaginable.  I don't particularly expect reincarnation (it just seems a little "out there" for me), but I guess I'll just have to wait and see (or not).

Once a religion has established that there is something after death, then I think reincarnation is a pretty easy choice for many.  The world goes through all kinds of cycles and springs back to where it was before (like seasons), so it seems like the same could be true for life and death.  Add on that we begin life weak, bald, and helpless, then grow strong and wise, then start the downward slope back towards being weak, bald, and helpless (say around age 25 :look:), culminating with death.  When you return to the same point where you started, it seems pretty natural that you're going to start again, right?  One of the things I always found myself wondering when it came to ideas about Heaven was "Okay, then what?  What comes after that?"  Somehow, the idea of a temporary condition (life) followed by a permanent one (eternal afterlife) just doesn't sit right in my mind.

Plus, the idea of coming back to life as a shark is totally badass.

1:
(click to show/hide)

Hectate

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #514 on: 16 May 2010, 06:17:33 »
I agree that reincarnation is a bit out there - although some of that is probably cultural as well. Logically, it would seem that life as a bug or whatever would be so amoral (without moral decisions, different than immorral) that one could not influence karma in any way in such a state. Unless I misunderstand the concept altogether.

Concerning afterlife and religion - yes, it definitely has the ability to influence people, whether by desire for good karma, fear (of hell/punishment/etc), or even just apathy (such as you noted about non-existence). I agree that I've also wondered about how it is possible to occupy one's self for an eternity. Sure if time doesn't apply in the same way it might be different - but like non-existence it is difficult to comprehend.

Gabbe

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #515 on: 16 May 2010, 08:59:55 »
I wasn`t trying to be pathetic, i was asking questions about christianity, and i could continue questioning till we get to whereas god exist.

About that reincarnation thing, i think it was made by a indian king or something that wanted more control over his people. Like he said, be nice and give me all your things and you shall be rewarded with eternal life as a higher being. don`t you think so?

EDIT & OT: Who changed the text under my image to SPAMBOT!?!?!
« Last Edit: 16 May 2010, 09:07:21 by Gabriel, Gabbe »

@kukac@

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #516 on: 16 May 2010, 10:58:20 »
It was to prevent people doing "evil" things, because normally anyone would do anything. They claimed that if you do something bad, something bad will happen to you after your death -.- Basically, these religions are the law of the ancient times: a prison.

Gabbe

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #517 on: 16 May 2010, 12:49:37 »
all religions prevent freedom.

xxcatmysteryxx

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #518 on: 17 May 2010, 01:48:32 »
Walking on water:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ry2aG9QES0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2XQ97XHjVw

Chris Angel did this.... hes awesome

jda

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #519 on: 17 May 2010, 03:28:33 »
Hey, Gerês, Portugal is just about 70 km from where I live! And I never saw this there. Then again, them guys don't have Portuguese names... :P

Gabbe

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #520 on: 18 May 2010, 16:54:14 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bql0cpVHbA'

This isn`t ill informed....

wyvern

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #521 on: 18 May 2010, 17:00:57 »
Are those our friendly neighborhood muslims.

Gabbe

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #522 on: 18 May 2010, 17:02:18 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcJwRCv9g88

Here is your common friend!

wyvern

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #523 on: 18 May 2010, 17:04:32 »
Religion is a big problem when taken to the extreme. >:( >:( :wicked: :wicked:

Gabbe

  • Guest
Re: Religous Debates
« Reply #524 on: 18 May 2010, 17:08:51 »
Lol, it is always a problem, when it gets to the extreme, the government brings in military.

Watch religion (fairytale, same thing) fail, this doesn`t only count for islam, also for christianity, thunderf00t is more powerfull than any god, lets worship him, oh wait, i can do that too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPJP2Q6MqtE

Guys, seriously, continue this religious debate, we have like 50 guests watching it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HnIKk9aB4g

« Last Edit: 18 May 2010, 17:19:50 by Gabriel, Gabbe »

 

anything