Religous Debates

[xxcatmysteryxx]

Something i just have to ask you Omega, as a christian i really know, do you think i deserve to go to hell?

well I don't believe in heaven but I kinda believe in hell. Think about it none of that is really there like up in the sky its just clouds then space nothing for heaven it would just be a virchural relitality there is no prove that it would exist. But hell think about it in the ground the earth goes down forever and it really is hot there and we can't really travel there to see whats down there.  When some people die they stay to earth as a ghost if they are bad staying here on earth forever is hell. but other a little better people there spirts is just stuck here because they don't desvere to go to heaven or hell because they did a little bad stuff in there life but not enough to go to hell.

Yah im a little werid with what I think I know people tell me that alot

Gabbe I don't think you would go to hell enless you did something REALLY bad and a bunch of stuff more than once. and i don't know you as a real person so I can't really say. Sorry but I don't think you would go to heaven because you probally had to do something a little bad because people AREN'T perfect; like cheat on a test, steal something like candy; Lie.
Also i know i wouldn't be going to heaven because I know im a bad person......

[-Archmage-]

He was trying to say that that guy in the movie is stupid.

Google Earth is cool, especially the flight simulator, even though it kinda sucks and is hard to use.


AS for the Bible debate........

It's quite likely that it was written into the Bible later so that Churches could get money to release people from their sins.
I really doubt that an all-loving, all-powerful, God/Creator, would put people in an eternal fire. Besides I'd think God could come up with something more painful than fire..........

Also i know i wouldn't be going to heaven because I know im a bad person......

You're a bad person?


Sure I lie, but I always try to either lie or tell the truth to get the best outcome, if telling the truth is only going to get me yelled at, when a lie is harmless, I'll just tell the lie.

[modman]

I personally think that absolute morality (DO NOT lie in any circumstance, even if it means you jeopardized others' lives) can only be afforded by people with pampered lives who have never seen hardship.  Put two people on an island with resources for one, and we'll see how long your morality holds up.

[Gabbe]

the scientific hell would be the mantel?

Mhm, IF such thing as god existed and he/she/it created a hell of "fire" what would humans describe it as?
mhm cat weren`t you atheist? Yet im hell? A omnipotent god creates humans with free will, knowing them to start porn industry and becoming prostitutee killing murdering rape enslave kidnap...Noones going to heaven whatsoever....For people living in the rich world, just being here and eat is a terrible sin because it causes people in poor countries to starve...I would dare to say that if god exist hes/she is/it is worse than the devil himself...

The video was explaining how atheist DO HAVE MORE FUN in live because they don`t pray or anything and they see life as valueable, christian and any religion for tht sake, "life is eternal torment and you shall not enjoy it! you shall hate life but you shall not suicide! 1-2 hours of sex in a whole year! nothing more! preferable less!" i think i stand correct? right? And atheist trust science more than religion, so the benefits of science would come quicker if we didn`t have people still living in the middle ages.

And i checked what the creationist in eliminators video was, well, he is in jail for 10 years for something.
I found a video of him:

I checked with the math, it has been done, in favour of evolution, it is possible.  i will find the source soon..just wait...

Andfor the eye thing, that argument is from darwins book, and it says in the intro how this is not explained by evolution, most creationists fail to read the rest of the book were it is explained.

For the glest code compared to the eye, a code has something to do, if the code is chaned just little bit, it won`t work, if the eye is changed back at a large, it still works.

mhm, arch, do you belive the historical jesus or the fairytale one?

When watching, the cambrian explosion lasted 800 million years...

[adrian, adde]

if u guys thinks  that god isnt real why do you think we dont are real then

[Gabbe]

We are real because of "abiogenesis", it is a theory of how life can originate. God has nothing to do with it basically.

[Gabbe]

really nice christians...

[modman]

if u guys thinks  that god isnt real why do you think we dont are real then

Complexity is not an explanation for things, it is what we are trying to explain from the bottom up with naturalistic processes like evolution.  Proposing God as a solution is like building a building from the top down: you need something, like a crane (evolution) to be grounded.

[wyvern]

I haven't been following this topic for quite a while, whats the new debate about.

[Gabbe]

still ol` evolution

[wyvern]

the topic that will never have an answer

[Gabbe]

Oh yeah, the top creationists and evolutionists gather on Skype for a debate, thunderf00t dprjones and PCS aka venomfangx is going to be there!

[Gabbe]

The moons distance is not proof of a young earth. The rate is closer to the 3.75cm/yr rather than the 2.5 cm/yr rate. Multiply 4.54 billion by 3.75 and you get 1.70^10 cm total or 170 million meters which gives us 170250 km the moon has moved away from the earth. The average distance of the moon from the earth is 382500 km which means if the speed of movement has been constant the starting position of the moon was 212500km away from the earth. It should be noted that the speed of movement has not been constant being affected by a number of factors but in the case of this argument it does not matter since the minimum distance the moon needed to form is around five earth radii or 31890km.

young earth is disprooved...

[gameboy]

What are we talking abt here, coz i am very interested in joining this thread BUT i have not the patience to go and read 24 pages of debate...

[gameboy]

So far there hasn't been any proof of there not being a God. The only argument that claims to prove it is the 'Problem of Pain' and even that has been debunked.
You give me one argument that proves that there isn't a God and I'll believe you. BUT you must also disprove the 20 something proofs that there is a God using that argument. You may say some shit abt Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Well its easy to not believe them and prove their non-existence 'because' we know their roots, we know how their 'myth' came to be. No one knows who came up with a being 'almighty and all knowing'. that belief is crazy, its absurd. and thats why I believe it. Its not something anybody could make up. And God doesn't have to conform to Science, Science has to conform to God. And what u said abt the universe being ordered and all it just goes to show that it has a designer. I mean, u don't look at a book and go, 'oh...musta been written by a 2 year old randomly pressing keys on a keyboard and then 'magically' this book came into being.' no everything created must have a creator, it is the law of life.
Everything is caused, but there has to be a causer or all that is won't be. The chain of events must stop somewhere for it cannot go on forever.

[John.d.h]

Silly me, I must have missed this one.

No offense to anyone.  It's just that this topic has gotten ugly in the past, so we'd prefer to leave it alone.  Some members of this forum have joined the forums at debatingchristianity.com and taken the discussion there.