Religous Debates

[modman]

The Buddhists don't blow themselves up to kill Chinese people, and they are being oppressed by the Chinese government.  No, they burn themselves as a demonstration to the world.

It seems like a 180 degree turn to me, from a religion which is far less violent period.  Is it just that there is infinitely more suffering in the Middle East than in Tibet?  They don't hijack planes or make roadside bombs...

[@kukac@]

Or you just don't know about it. China is quite closed, so bad news don't spread out, not just to other countries, but inside China too!

USA just cries out the whole world, that someone attacked her "without" reason. I wonder if you heard that Israel sent airplanes above Hungary, or Matuska Szilveszter, Hungarian terrorist bombed a train  .

[Fluffy203]

Yea i'm totally going to side with charles darwin's theory of evolution and natural selection. It explains just about everything . No offense to those who believe one being could create this much diversity and uniqueness , but i can't see that happening. Plus the way that our adaptions for survival have changed our species alone.If you dont' know what natural selection is well i'll explain in a simple way. Your a deer in a temperate forest and you have a brown coat its fall so you blend in perfectly. Whilst wolves are hunting in a pack for food. There is another deer that by weird chance is not so brown more of a grey or for this sake albino lol. The wolves don't see you as well cause you blend in with your surrounding. The albino deer not so much they kill him and eat him. Therefore he can not mate and pass on his DNA. While you the brown coat can mate and produce others that blend in with the region and are best suited to survive. Very simple hope you got all of that    No offense intended in these remarks just observation.

[xxcatmysteryxx]

Ok i'll guess I'll join this debate thing im kinda late though i wished i saw and posted before and just to let you know I really think this it a good topic. I have a strong believe of what I think. I have no religion I believe what I WANT TO and choose to; I never been to church my whole life.  Very ignorant when it come it the bible and God or what ever religion is which; it doesn't matter to me. My mom calls me the devil's child (as a joke) because I don't go to church or anything. I guess people might call me Atheist cause I don't believe in god and to believe something i must see it proved first but Atheist is somewhat of a religion its self or would you call it a stereotype? Easy, everyone thinks people should act or behave or believe a certain thing its just what people do and how this society is just like how people call people nerds,goth,preppy,etc, because they act different but they should be free to do whatever they want without ridicule and people calling them stuff but now i feel as if im getting off topic.. I'm very logical when it comes to MY believes -somewhat (i think). Going back on the topic of Evolution: Most people here did not say logical or reasonable things here and I have a say in them; well here it goes. BTW I worked really hard on this post lol this should count more than once this took a long time; it has lots of words anyways I have horrible grammar and stuff so you might not understand what im talking about most of the time so read carefully.

Now, as the ULTIMATE religious discussion, all atheists bow down before Jesus for giving you a week off of school. At least ACT grateful!

just to say something for people giving you a week off (which should be more) has nothing to do with religion and you should be as grateful for something more important like having food to eat because people in poor countries don't and they wish they have; so even as small as eating a blueberry or something they are grateful most people who have lots more aren't.. getting off topic again Even though this was somewhat of a joke I still had something to say about it. But anyways having a week off from school is merely what society thinks we should have, not to over work kids and have a break. If people thought we don't need it then we wouldn't of have a week off. This is with anything else too.

There are signs of creation everywhere, why do animals have all the right instincts so that they survive on their own.Why does my body keep breathing, why do I wake up when I have to go pee in the middle of the night?Why the hell can I walk, why is it that my body is designed well enough so I can run

Animals must have abilities to survive and adapt to there environment that's why many animals die off in the wrong environment. all animals have advantages and disadvantages. Oh just so you know we ARE animals just the smartest ones with the biggest brains but we are NOT on top of the food chain we can get easily killed by many animals like bears. And to the question how does your body keep breathing that is causes by your brain; your brain control voluntary and involuntary actions such as breathing and that's to keep us alive being able to take in oxygen and like plants we exhale CO2 and that's good for plants and plants give off Oxygen. Those are just naturals things we HAVE to do its one of our basic needs. Like to survive we need food and water. To pee that's you body getting rid of waste in your body both solid and liquid. And to the running and walking you need something to get you one place to another; again other thing to survive. Its just that running is moving faster than walking like in an emergency you need to escape from an animal you need to getting away faster.To run we have strong enough muscles to run and it takes those muscles to run more than walking.

Still have lots more stuff to say.

[Fluffy203]

this should count more than once this took a long time

It can totally count more than once cause it is long and looks like you put alot of your own thoughts into it , btw i completely agree with everything you said even the stereotypes people should be able to be who they are without having someone tell them they are different or the wrong way

[xxcatmysteryxx]

-Why can I do what I want, even if what I want doesn't make sense, or is illogical?
 You really think that complicated pieces of meat have a will?
 Why do you think that a complicated piece of meat would care about where it came from?
 Why should one complicated piece of meat care about another complicated piece of meat?

-Why can I express anger?
 Sure I have chemicals in my brain that cause me to look angry, but why should those chemicals elevate, why don't they just stay the same

Because a piece of meat is meat, not an animal although it comes from animals it is not alive it can't breath or do anything because its just meat.... and you can do what you want because you are alive you can eat, breath, sleep, walk. etc.  you have a brain that helps you to decide and think and to actually do And to anger the stimulus in the environment cause chemicals to your brain and your brain decides what it should do that's a reaction and that can cause you to be angry

It was an image of the three apes in "Planet of the Apes" doing the old "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil", something I think about when people post that they're not interested in any other opinions (the very definition of closed-mindedness).

OMG i love that part in the movie planets of the apes *(its my favorite part) also so true...

but our design is much to smart and logical to be a strange occurrence like Evolution.

When you think of evolution we evolved from other animals but where did those animals come from? There must have came from somewhere. What I think is that someone created one animals that was able to live and survive but then evolution happened. We couldn't have just have have been with a brain or systems like nervous system someone must have done that. But that someone didn't create a human it was some kind of animal that eventually turned into us by evolution. To get this straight humans actually weren't created; it was another animal that turned into us.No one ever thinks of that statement.So i think its both sides of this argument but little different  its my own side muhaha.

The individuals of a group that can survive better and reproduce better pass on their genes while the ones that are less fit don't.
Albino foxes die, because they can't hide in the forest normally, so they can't pass on their genes.

Yes I agree to this; that's basically evolution. Animals, to survive they pass their genes to their off spring. Sometimes their is a faulty gene that causes a "change". For example a red head that was a mutation and the person who had it passed its genes to its off-spring and since the mutation wasn't bad because not all faulty genes are bad the gene was able to survive and still have people have that gene. And when its bad like if someone has cancer or some other kind of disease the person dies and a less likely chance of passing down the gene but that gene was strong enough to still exist and be passed

I just looked up Evolution, and it basically says you have gene mutations, and the animals that survive pass on their mutations.
That's just completely ridiculous, you can't just have nearly random mutations and expect any improvements, if Evolution were true, then all life forms should pretty much be extinct, but no, no, no, no, and no, live forms are not dying off!

First off its not random its causes by a fault gene and not all mutations are bad.

Forgot to mention some stuff that will make my point better but im too lazy right now i will edit later

[-Archmage-]

Evolution has some major mathematical problems to solve!

The math has been done, with the most possible luck, for Evolution to do what it's supposed to have done, it would've taken many thousands of times longer than the universe has been around!

Do you want another problem to solve?

[John.d.h]

The math has been done, with the most possible luck, for Evolution to do what it's supposed to have done, it would've taken many thousands of times longer than the universe has been around!

[citation needed]

[Fluffy203]

yea i would deff like that can you give a reference on where you got that arch 

[xxcatmysteryxx]

is anyone read my posts and does it make since

[-Archmage-]

Sorry, my Dad was talking about that months ago, I remember that he found a lot of content, but it's been a while, and neither of us remember the sources for that info.

[Fluffy203]

Yea cat your stuff all makes sense a little grammar misses , but hey thats what the edit buttons for and no one here is so anal about it to point it out , wait nvm you have arch 

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It was an image of the three apes in "Planet of the Apes" doing the old "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil", something I think about when people post that they're not interested in any other opinions (the very definition of closed-mindedness).
OMG i love that part in the movie planets of the apes *(its my favorite part) also so true...

one of the best movies btw

@Arch ok let me know if you find that cause that is definitively false and i have a reference 

[-Archmage-]

You Evolutionists are in for it!

I was way off on the math, the math in Evolution is many many trillions of times worse than what a heard months ago.

My source is a very good movie I just watched called "The Case for a Creator", I seriously recommend buying it, it has tons of extras including a Q&A!
Maybe you could watch it in parts on Youtube, but I haven't looked into that.

[@kukac@]

Yeah, and in the ancient ages, many tribes wrote "The world is flat". If something is written, it doesn't mean that it's true.

(But why do I bother myself with evolution by the way? I will die anyway  )

[-Archmage-]

Yah, but you may meet our creator and maybe come back for another experience as a Human.
We'll see...

People wrote the world was flat, because they thought it was, they were ignorant to the evidence, just the way Evolutionists are.

[xxcatmysteryxx]

The universe and the Earth has been around a very long time WAY before even humans existed and once the population of humans die off the universe will always exist and be there FOREVER it will exist LONG after humans are gone (if we don't mess it up at least)

This makes me think of the show Life After People

[-Archmage-]

Well, we may have a Cambrian Explosion 2, then.

There is no way we could screw up the universe, we don't have anywhere near that kind of power.

[@kukac@]

Yah, but you may meet our creator and maybe come back for another experience as a Human.

I think if you die earlier than me, then you will be dead longer than me.

[Gabbe]

Yah, but you may meet our creator and maybe come back for another experience as a Human.

I think if you die earlier than me, then you will be dead longer than me.

made ZERO sense to me...

Well, we may have a Cambrian Explosion 2, then.

There is no way we could screw up the universe, we don't have anywhere near that kind of power.

Not yet, but the universe has been around for 6 ...ok, now im uncertain of what to say, as i know the correct number in norwegian... lets say billion years, and the earth 3 billion years, then human kind is actually quite early specie as for other species to appear will take longer time as their planets has to appear and become more "life friendly" then EVOLUTION HAS TO HAPPEN TO MAKE THEM CAPEABLE OF USING THEIR BRAINS OR INSTINCT and then they may evolve further into something i would like to call "space stage".

Yeah, and in the ancient ages, many tribes wrote "The world is flat". If something is written, it doesn't mean that it's true.

(But why do I bother myself with evolution by the way? I will die anyway  )

first, correct, second dunno what you ment but i think i did.

Yea, if i were intelligent i would just take a chance on beliving in god and if he did not exist, what can i loose? Or i might be very intelligent and say that "god doesn`t exist because there is no evidence" wich is true.

You Evolutionists are in for it!

I was way off on the math, the math in Evolution is many many trillions of times worse than what a heard months ago.

My source is a very good movie I just watched called "The Case for a Creator", I seriously recommend buying it, it has tons of extras including a Q&A!
Maybe you could watch it in parts on Youtube, but I haven't looked into that.

I have never seen a movie in my local movie store/games store sell anything called that...Id i can`t get it, you mind if i pirate or you upload youtube?

is anyone read my posts and does it make since

makes sence, is completely correct and should not be needed to be post as it is So obivious that everything of your statements are true

-Why can I do what I want, even if what I want doesn't make sense, or is illogical?
 You really think that complicated pieces of meat have a will?
 Why do you think that a complicated piece of meat would care about where it came from?
 Why should one complicated piece of meat care about another complicated piece of meat?

-Why can I express anger?
 Sure I have chemicals in my brain that cause me to look angry, but why should those chemicals elevate, why don't they just stay the same

Because a piece of meat is meat, not an animal although it comes from animals it is not alive it can't breath or do anything because its just meat.... and you can do what you want because you are alive you can eat, breath, sleep, walk. etc.  you have a brain that helps you to decide and think and to actually do And to anger the stimulus in the environment cause chemicals to your brain and your brain decides what it should do that's a reaction and that can cause you to be angry

It was an image of the three apes in "Planet of the Apes" doing the old "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil", something I think about when people post that they're not interested in any other opinions (the very definition of closed-mindedness).

OMG i love that part in the movie planets of the apes *(its my favorite part) also so true...

but our design is much to smart and logical to be a strange occurrence like Evolution.

When you think of evolution we evolved from other animals but where did those animals come from? There must have came from somewhere. What I think is that someone created one animals that was able to live and survive but then evolution happened. We couldn't have just have have been with a brain or systems like nervous system someone must have done that. But that someone didn't create a human it was some kind of animal that eventually turned into us by evolution. To get this straight humans actually weren't created; it was another animal that turned into us.No one ever thinks of that statement.So i think its both sides of this argument but little different  its my own side muhaha.

The individuals of a group that can survive better and reproduce better pass on their genes while the ones that are less fit don't.
Albino foxes die, because they can't hide in the forest normally, so they can't pass on their genes.

Yes I agree to this; that's basically evolution. Animals, to survive they pass their genes to their off spring. Sometimes their is a faulty gene that causes a "change". For example a red head that was a mutation and the person who had it passed its genes to its off-spring and since the mutation wasn't bad because not all faulty genes are bad the gene was able to survive and still have people have that gene. And when its bad like if someone has cancer or some other kind of disease the person dies and a less likely chance of passing down the gene but that gene was strong enough to still exist and be passed

I just looked up Evolution, and it basically says you have gene mutations, and the animals that survive pass on their mutations.
That's just completely ridiculous, you can't just have nearly random mutations and expect any improvements, if Evolution were true, then all life forms should pretty much be extinct, but no, no, no, no, and no, live forms are not dying off!

First off its not random its causes by a fault gene and not all mutations are bad.

Forgot to mention some stuff that will make my point better but im too lazy right now i will edit later

Ok i'll guess I'll join this debate thing im kinda late though i wished i saw and posted before and just to let you know I really think this it a good topic. I have a strong believe of what I think. I have no religion I believe what I WANT TO and choose to; I never been to church my whole life.  Very ignorant when it come it the bible and God or what ever religion is which; it doesn't matter to me. My mom calls me the devil's child (as a joke) because I don't go to church or anything. I guess people might call me Atheist cause I don't believe in god and to believe something i must see it proved first but Atheist is somewhat of a religion its self or would you call it a stereotype? Easy, everyone thinks people should act or behave or believe a certain thing its just what people do and how this society is just like how people call people nerds,goth,preppy,etc, because they act different but they should be free to do whatever they want without ridicule and people calling them stuff but now i feel as if im getting off topic.. I'm very logical when it comes to MY believes -somewhat (i think). Going back on the topic of Evolution: Most people here did not say logical or reasonable things here and I have a say in them; well here it goes. BTW I worked really hard on this post lol this should count more than once this took a long time; it has lots of words anyways I have horrible grammar and stuff so you might not understand what im talking about most of the time so read carefully.

Now, as the ULTIMATE religious discussion, all atheists bow down before Jesus for giving you a week off of school. At least ACT grateful!

just to say something for people giving you a week off (which should be more) has nothing to do with religion and you should be as grateful for something more important like having food to eat because people in poor countries don't and they wish they have; so even as small as eating a blueberry or something they are grateful most people who have lots more aren't.. getting off topic again Even though this was somewhat of a joke I still had something to say about it. But anyways having a week off from school is merely what society thinks we should have, not to over work kids and have a break. If people thought we don't need it then we wouldn't of have a week off. This is with anything else too.

There are signs of creation everywhere, why do animals have all the right instincts so that they survive on their own.Why does my body keep breathing, why do I wake up when I have to go pee in the middle of the night?Why the hell can I walk, why is it that my body is designed well enough so I can run

Animals must have abilities to survive and adapt to there environment that's why many animals die off in the wrong environment. all animals have advantages and disadvantages. Oh just so you know we ARE animals just the smartest ones with the biggest brains but we are NOT on top of the food chain we can get easily killed by many animals like bears. And to the question how does your body keep breathing that is causes by your brain; your brain control voluntary and involuntary actions such as breathing and that's to keep us alive being able to take in oxygen and like plants we exhale CO2 and that's good for plants and plants give off Oxygen. Those are just naturals things we HAVE to do its one of our basic needs. Like to survive we need food and water. To pee that's you body getting rid of waste in your body both solid and liquid. And to the running and walking you need something to get you one place to another; again other thing to survive. Its just that running is moving faster than walking like in an emergency you need to escape from an animal you need to getting away faster.To run we have strong enough muscles to run and it takes those muscles to run more than walking.

Still have lots more stuff to say.

Why did you bother, one of your arguments should have been enough, though, most of it has already been stated.

Arch, i would apreciate if you quoted atleast some of the counter-arguments and answered my previous question: Are you making your own theory, or are you creationist, you are definately not evolutionist.

[Fluffy203]

One thing i have to say that will shut this WHOLE THING DOWN . If we were created by God , then who created the Dinosaurs millions of years ago? Since the bible clearly makes you think we were the first to be on this planet which is FALSE it was all the dinosaurs until a meteor hit the earth. well one theory anyways the most plausible 

[-Archmage-]

You Evolutionists are so narrow-minded!

There is way more proof for God than there is for Evolution!
And you can buy that video on the internet.

You think the Bible has to be spot on or not true at all. The Bible isn't spot on but it's got many things right!
Fluff, your statement is easily deflected.

Are you making your own theory, or are you creationist, you are definately not evolutionist.

I'm a creationist, merely meaning that I believe we were created!

EVOLUTION HAS TO HAPPEN TO MAKE THEM CAPEABLE OF USING THEIR BRAINS OR INSTINCT

Sorry, the truth is the diametric opposite of that statement.

[Gabbe]

There is way more proof for God than there is for Evolution!

I have presented you evidence for evolution in real-time wich you can observe within a normal human lifespan
We have presented you with evidence wich can be observed by fossils
You have yet to present evidence for your god (i will not accept "you have to belive" as a answer as it is pure ignorance)

(were can i buy the movie?,  download plz

[Fluffy203]

Please tell me how you can deflect that proof ? i don't think god created dinosaurs just to kill them all.

Another thing is Mythology you remember that . Its where a group of people thought gods controlled the weather , the sun and much of what now we know is simple science. They were simply putting something that they couldn't understand into something they could. We have done the same thing with this monotheistic god we couldn't explain why we were here so we created GOD and the bible , but now we have the technology and other resources to disprove this and now the religion of this monotheistic god is crumbling quick .

You have yet to present evidence for your god (i will not accept "you have to belive" as a answer as it is pure ignorance)

True you can't just have blind faith in something that isn't real. I mean look at the Holocaust who/what could just seat by and let that happen.

[Gabbe]

We have done the same thing with this monotheistic god we couldn't explain why we were here so we created GOD and the bible , but now we have the technology and other resources to disprove this and now the religion of this monotheistic god is crumbling quick .

Evolution isn`t a theory of how the universe or life were created, but it is just a matter of time till we can proove that we weren`t created by god. this is kind of "his/her/its" last stand bleedout... as the only thing god can proove is how life were created, and that isn`t even the intention of the old people from the old times..

[-Archmage-]

It's a DVD, just look it up!

Or do you want me to do that for you?

I have presented you evidence for evolution in real-time wich you can observe within a normal human lifespan
We have presented you with evidence wich can be observed by fossils
You have yet to present evidence for your god (i will not accept "you have to belive" as a answer as it is pure ignorance)

Evidence for Evolution, I haven't seen any logical explanations that would actually work.
The fossil record is against Evolution. (Cambrian Explosion)
The basic building blocks of life couldn't have formed on early Earth.

Evidence for God:
The universe is perfect, live can exist because of that.
Just watch the video for more proof.

i don't think god created dinosaurs just to kill them all.

That's like saying that you don't think a designer made a boat to watch it sink.

What's the fun of creating a universe if your going to have complete control over it? Then there aren't any surprises, nothing interesting, because everything is just the way he wants it.
A meteor may just have struck the Earth and wiped the dinosaurs out! He's created this marvellous universe, now I don't see why he would want to control all of it, it would be most interesting to just make it and let it do what it does, adding things to it every once in a while.

Another thing is Mythology you remember that . Its where a group of people thought gods controlled the weather , the sun and much of what now we know is simple science. They were simply putting something that they couldn't understand into something they could. We have done the same thing with this monotheistic god we couldn't explain why we were here so we created GOD and the bible , but now we have the technology and other resources to disprove this and now the religion of this monotheistic god is crumbling quick .

Yes, we can understand, and it is that understanding which points us in the direction of a creator.

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You have yet to present evidence for your god (i will not accept "you have to belive" as a answer as it is pure ignorance)
True you can't just have blind faith in something that isn't real. I mean look at the Holocaust who/what could just seat by and let that happen.

Blind faith?
No.
My belief in a creator is fully supported by logic and science, it is Evolution which is crumbling.

God is merely letting Humans do what they will, good or bad, Humans learn from the experiences.

Evolution isn`t a theory of how the universe or life were created, but it is just a matter of time till we can proove that we weren`t created by god. this is kind of "his/her/its" last stand bleedout... as the only thing god can proove is how life were created, and that isn`t even the intention of the old people from the old times..

You're right, Evolution isn't a theory! Evolution is a joke!
Last stand? Hah.
Creationists are charging strong, it is you who stand on your last legs, not us.