Quote from: -Archmage- on May 06, 2010, 22:01:43
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If you feel there is a proof, you must lay it out in your subsequent post.
1-The extreme fine-tuning of the universe. The laws of the universe are perfect, and completely reliable.
Well I think if the laws of the universe were perfect we would see a lot more --infinitely more-- life in our neck of the universe than we do. We don't know what the universe would be like with different properties, because the universe is, well, complex. It took millions of years for the first stars to form, I believe.
The laws of the universe work though, they aren't unreasonable.
Quote from: -Archmage- on May 06, 2010, 22:01:43
2-The extremely well designed Human body.
Eight percent of pregnancies end in clinical miscarriage. It seems God is the most prevalent abortionist of all!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage#Prevalence
Part of the adventure of life, a sense of good and bad wouldn't be very good without the bad to contrast with the good. Good and Bad practically define each other.
Note: I'm not saying that I enjoy the bad stuff, but it's what makes the good stuff good.
Quote from: -Archmage- on May 06, 2010, 22:01:43
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considering your vacuum of knowledge of evolution is rather embarrassing.
I know what evolution is.
Yea, and I know what quantum entanglement is, but I don't understand it. And for this reason I would never participate in a debate over whether it occurs or not. You claim evolution is random, but in reality it is like a poker game: sure, your hand might be random, but the better player will almost always win.
Yea, but I'm just kinda getting the idea you aren't aware of some serious problems that evolution faces.
Quote from: -Archmage- on May 06, 2010, 22:01:43
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And you're assuming there is a god. Such metaphysical claims cannot be verified and thus have no place in a scientific debate.
From all the evidence, yes, I'm "assuming", or rather 'knowing' that a Creator exists.
Wonderful. Let's continue discussion of the existence of God in another topic.
The first law of thermodynamics and the principle of the conservation of energy deem it impossible for God to have created matter, because it would have been an increase of matter and energy not accounted for by a decrease elsewhere. Unless it can be proven that God is omnipotent, no one can use the cop out that "God transcends the laws of physics".
Well you have to realize, proving that would prove to be pretty much impossible if God didn't want us too prove his existence. If he came down and said "Here I am. Believe now?", that would be nice, but he isn't like that much(Jesus). I have a feeling that we might have another Jesus sometime with the next 500 years. He came down the Roman Empire before it crumbled, he may come down to the USA before we crumble. The Roman Empire was the most powerful and impressive Empire in the world, their legions defeated everybody, but they got destroyed from the inside out. USA is definitely the most powerful country in the world, by far, though we are quite a bit nicer with our military than the Romans, we can defeat anybody worldwide. We're also sadly crumbling from the middle, the democrats in this country seem to be almost trying to destroy the country, spending money we don't have, pretty soon USA gonna have a big "Made in China" sticker.
Who gets to pick the rules of life?
God. But a lot of scientists are corrupted by the government, so most of the stuff you hear about, like Global Warming for example, has been show to be complete non-sense, but I'm no expert on that, my Dad's the one who knows about Global Warmings faults, I'm the evolution guy.
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