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Re: Glest Wiki - Artists wanted for Background
« Reply #50 on: 29 July 2010, 15:24:45 »
Keep hammering away at it! Wikia, at first glance, seems to be easy to configure and customize but upon closer inspection - it really isn't very nooby friendly.

Information window category templates would be nice for factions, tilesets and maps. Widescreen support for the main portal page should be the primary default setting.

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« Reply #51 on: 3 August 2010, 00:02:50 »

Hmm, for the Dark Magic page, shouldn't it just be "Dark Magic" instead of "Dark Magic Faction"?  :|
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If not we should have a redirect to it from "Dark Magic"... most people type that anyways...
EDIT: Done. Shouldn't matter if we change it anyways though....  :|

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« Reply #52 on: 3 August 2010, 17:37:18 »
I'm happy to announce that I made a major update to the New Mod Installation Guide today.

https://docs.megaglest.org/InstallMod

Current Features:
-Unpacking/Opening Archives section(complete except for the Mac part)
-Complete Windows section
-Partially complete Mac section
-And more...

Changes today:
-Reorganized a lot
-Added helpful Tips
-Finished categorizing, the 'contents' navigator is now complete.
-Other things...

Future Goals:
-Complete the Linux, Mac, and Other OSes sections
-Other various things...

I welcome all help, and if you do help, please don't mess up my scheme. ;)

So guys what do you think?
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« Reply #53 on: 3 August 2010, 18:07:13 »
Hmm, that will be helpful Archmage. I might change some of the screenshots to updated more ones, like this one
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/glest/images/0/08/Install_Mods.jpg  :P
But otherwise I probably won't touch it. Maybe just some minor edits.  :|
But the title should be "Install Mod" with a space. IMO.

Another thing is that for megaglest, it will be different/it is. We now have a "My data" folder...so maybe you can ask softcoder about that. And other things in the future.

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« Reply #54 on: 3 August 2010, 19:58:38 »
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Hmm, that will be helpful Archmage. I might change some of the screenshots to updated more ones, like this one
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/glest/images/0/08/Install_Mods.jpg  Tongue

Uh dude, that's from the old guide. ::) If you scroll down you'll see the new one.
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But the title should be "Install Mod" with a space. IMO.

Oh, I didn't see that, I'll fix it right now.....I don't think I can, I don't know how to change the page title....... :|



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I'll worry about that later.
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Re: Glest Wiki - Artists wanted for Background
« Reply #55 on: 4 August 2010, 23:11:39 »
Uh dude, that's from the old guide. ::) If you scroll down you'll see the new one.
NOTE: The version number is just for kicks. :P
Oh ok, I must have missed that.
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Oh, I didn't see that, I'll fix it right now.....I don't think I can, I don't know how to change the page title....... :|
OK, I changed it. I just wanted to make sure...although any registered member of the wiki can move a page.
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Yeah, was just telling you. It will be important in megaglest.

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« Reply #56 on: 11 August 2010, 02:21:52 »
All right, first off all, I will add support for the main page being widescreen. I dunno why it isn't, but I think it was broken by something in the main page, which I will also fix (for now, I'll try to remove the background color. Eventually, I'll probably have to do it from (mostly) scratch because the code is such a mess.

Templates would be nice, but what would they be? I suppose factions of course, would have a table template with basic info, and whatnot.

edit: I removed the background color. NOTHING else is changed. It still looks pretty bad and needs a tune up, but its a start.

edit2: I also forgot I wanted to mention a good site for those learning how to edit the wiki. The official site is help.wikia.com
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« Reply #57 on: 11 August 2010, 03:03:59 »
I see.

I also forgot I wanted to mention a good site for those learning how to edit the wiki. The official site is help.wikia.com
Yeah, it is kinda helpful. If you don't know how to do something, check it. It covers a lot...not all, of course. But most of what is needed...

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« Reply #58 on: 11 August 2010, 03:25:22 »
Now... trying to find WHY it isn't stretched like it should be.......

If you look at this:
https://docs.megaglest.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=2&diff=2
You'll see that the oldest recorded version available was stretched properly, despite not having any code at all except a single sentence :P.
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« Reply #59 on: 11 August 2010, 20:11:47 »
Well, I totally revamped the page, but it still doesn't stretch despite being done from scratch?!?

I'll look into it some more, but for now, enjoy!
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« Reply #60 on: 11 August 2010, 20:17:31 »
Wow, great! Not the best, but much better than before...what was the cause for why it was stretched?

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« Reply #61 on: 11 August 2010, 20:29:55 »
It should be stretched by default. All pages are, and even the Main page's talk page is. Even one of the old versions of the page is... hmm.... idea! Will copy new version, rollback to oldest version where its stretched, and then paste in current code. Let's see if that works.....

Anyway, I already contacted Wikia central about it, so if it doesn't, we'll see what they say.

Anyway, atm, I am creating templates, including the MUCH needed info box, which is basically the most important template known to man. You know those boxes in the top right hand corner of an article, such as on wikipedia, which hold information, and can often be used to compare things with the same type of box? That's the infobox.

I'll also make a specific faction, tileset, etc; infobox, so in the future, we can have those on each page.

EDIT: That won't work... the revisions no longer stretch it.

Another EDIT: Wow, adding all these templates isn't easy, because the Wiki was made long ago, and is missing the default templates, so I must add those by hand too... Still, the info box template, documentation template (this isn't for use in articles, its to display the documentation of templates themselves), and CC-BY-NC template are up. Feel free to test them!

https://docs.megaglest.org/Template:Infobox

EDIT3: Success! here's the full list of templates:

Template:Sandbox
Template:WelcomeIP
Template:For
Template:Main
Template:Tocright
Template:Talkheader
Template:Quote
Template:Reflist
Template:Edit
Template:Lorem_ipsum
Template:USERNAME
Template:IP
Template:Wikify
Template:User
Template:Infobox_advanced
Template:T
Template:Clear
Template:Key

Next I'll make faction, tileset, and map templates. But first, documentation is missing for most of these, so....

Another EDIT: Documentations added. You may need to click the refresh link at the bottom of the documentation window to see them.

EDIT:

Check out my awesome faction template:
https://docs.megaglest.org/Template:Faction
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« Reply #62 on: 13 August 2010, 02:18:04 »
The wikia change from monobook to monoco has caused a lot of problems - good to see you've passed a few hurdles. The main page code kludge was my attempt at wikia coding - fail!

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« Reply #63 on: 13 August 2010, 03:35:11 »
Ah, I found out why it isn't stretched! The theme modified it so it wouldn't (and thus, you can see the waves on the sides). Now, I'll leave the two choices up to you all!

1. Keep it as it is.
2. Customize it so it stretches

Note that the first is much easier to do  ;D.

Also, please preview how it will look stretched. This can be done by setting your skin to the default (sapphire) and unchecking the 'let wiki's override my choice' option. There's also a URL method, though I don't know it off the top of my head (google is your friend if you want to do it that way, which doesn't require an account).
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« Reply #64 on: 16 August 2010, 00:59:56 »
Anyway, for now I do think I'll just leave it as it is, as a few people commented that it looks good. I may have to look into it a bit more so I can replace the pictures on the sides with glest images (though for that, I would need high quality PNGs with alpha for the images).

Also, I recently contacted Wikia Central and got glest.110mb.com taken off the spam blacklist, so now it should work fine if you wish to use it for links.

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« Reply #65 on: 3 September 2010, 05:34:47 »
Also, I recently contacted Wikia Central and got glest.110mb.com taken off the spam blacklist, so now it should work fine if you wish to use it for links.
Nice!  :thumbup:

Well, at least we now have a megaglest page started.  :thumbup: Now for some editing...for all...later.
link EDIT: now it needs less editing  :O (since softcoder updated it)
Now...Particles...we need a page for that. After all, titi said he'll help edit it once it is created or something...

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« Reply #66 on: 5 September 2010, 23:43:13 »
Also, I did add a Military page a while back, and while hardly perfect or complete, it uses the new faction info boxes, which would (ideally) end up on all the faction pages eventually... Note that you must be in code view to make a template. The template and its documentation is found here:
https://docs.megaglest.org/Template:Faction

Do be sure to read the documentation on that same page, as well, there are two examples, a dark magic one in the template documentation as well as the one on the Military page in the wiki. Also, I thought I'd bring up something else while we're on the topic, namely, naming conventions of pages.

While it doesn't mean a huge difference, well named pages make searching easier, as well as allow search engines like google to better rank pages.
  • Don't use camel case. Camel case on Wiki's died years ago.
  • When making a new page, create the name with EVERY WORD (baring simple words such as 'a') WITH A CAPITAL LETTER AND LEAVE SPACES. Do not use underscores, as the wiki will automatically convert the URL into underscores, but the page title, which will appear at the top, will be properly formatted.
  • If it becomes apparent that there may be more than one of a page with the same name (ie: Military (faction) and Military (techtree)), use a disambiguation in the parenthesis as shown in the previous example. Please note the space before the parenthesis.
  • Badly named pages can be moved, and the old page should be a redirect to the new page. NOTE THAT YOU CANNOT REDIRECT TO ANOTHER REDIRECT! If a redirect points to a second redirect, it will NOT redirect and the user will be stuck on a blank redirect page, so be sure to check what links to a redirect page and if any of them are redirects, please fix them to link to the new page.

On another note, we should attempt to catigorize the pages, which allows for a link to the category on the navigational menu on the left, as well as sorts the pages. Pages can belong to multiple catigories. Also, I plan to make more templates soon, including ones for the bottom of the page meant to allow you better navigation to other pages. Here is a very good example.
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« Reply #67 on: 6 September 2010, 19:18:45 »
Yeah, I saw that template/ the Military page.
I guess I might try to add some pages for some factions when I have the time...

Good tips. I think.
Edit: how do we get rid of the extra space that the template leaves?
(click to show/hide)
I think it is a bit much...at least.

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« Reply #68 on: 8 September 2010, 18:40:33 »
Hmm, yes, I'm going to have to look into that... It shouldn't be doing that. Most likely a CSS problem...

EDIT// Fixed! It was a problem with my whitespace. I forgot that unlike HTML, whitespace matters greatly here...
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« Reply #69 on: 9 September 2010, 05:27:30 »
Thanks.  :thumbup:

Can anyone please add information to the Magic and Tech pages? Thanks.

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« Reply #70 on: 10 September 2010, 22:54:16 »
Well, I've been doing a lot of behind the scene's work, but now we've got a few more templates, and I'll create a page listing all of them soon. Also, I've created the cleanup template (use with {{cleanup}}) for posting on articles that could use a cleanup to meet the quality standards the wiki deserves (first page to get this slapped on: MegaGlest/FAQ, unfortunately, MegaGlest isn't my strong area, so that's best left for other editors). I'll improve that template and a few others to automatically add the page they are placed on to a catigory so that we can see when a page would need cleanup, deletion, etc.

Also, there's the Faction, Techtree, and Map templates, and more to come soon.

More notably, I created the Glest namespace (this means all articles that begin with 'Glest:', such as 'Glest:Policies', the first page I've created for it). It outlines the rules and expectations of the wiki, which are pretty generic ones and will be expanded on in the future. I may also break the page down better, since it's fairly long, and all the policies will get their own page eventually for more depth and detail on them. For example, notable policies are AEAE (All Editors Are Equal), AAGF (Always Assume Good Faith), NPoV (Neutral Point of View), and Consensus. NOTE THAT IF YOU DECIDE TO MAKE A PAGE FOR THESE, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN THE GLEST NAMESPACE. It's very important that all pages concerning the wiki itself are in the glest namespace, as this prevents them from being improperly indexed, from appearing in the recent changes side-bar, etc; To do this, just make sure that the name of the article begins with 'Glest:'. For example, a page for All Editors Are Equal is called 'Glest:All Editors Are Equal'. Also, it's good to have many redirects for these pages, for exampme, All Editors Are Equal has another page called Glest:AEAE (the common abbreviation of it) that redirects to the proper page.
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« Reply #71 on: 11 September 2010, 00:00:09 »
Nice.

I added something like this.
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For a list of Double Redirects, click here. To "solve" Double Redirects, either point it to the actual page to be redirected to, or delete it if the page is meaningless.
If needed please rephrase it and put it on the right place on that section, thanks.
(But yeah, a lot of pages had double redirects. I think I fixed most of them though, :) )
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Really? I think it is half/half. A lot of times it is unnecessary, but on the other hand it is very important to have sources...Especially now, with people adding new content and info.
(first page to get this slapped on: MG/FAQ, unfortunately, MegaGlest isn't my strong area, so that's best left for other editors).
Could you tell me what is wrong with it? (I'm not saying nothing is wrong with it)
Or maybe after all that editing my head is too tired to see. :-/
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They should be made with the first letter of the first word being capitalized, and all following words lowercase (ie: 'Dark magic')
Hmm, currently the DM page is not even like that. :-/
Anyways, why should it be like this? Is it for the search engines? Or? Because in the end there will just be redirects for this, or related...

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« Reply #72 on: 11 September 2010, 23:02:53 »
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They should be made with the first letter of the first word being capitalized, and all following words lowercase (ie: 'Dark magic')
Hmm, currently the DM page is not even like that. :-/
Anyways, why should it be like this? Is it for the search engines? Or? Because in the end there will just be redirects for this, or related...
Indeed, most pages aren't, but that can be fixed by moving the page and creating a redirect. Though, the case isn't a huge deal, it does help greatly in searching and it's a good idea to standardize the naming of the page, so that if you want to go to a page, but don't know the exact URL, it's still possible to type what it most likely is and end up in the right place (I've done this before on other wikis, as well as wikipedia and similar sites).

However, more important than case really, is the use of spaces instead of camel casing, which does not search very well, and is quite messy for a page title. While we don't need to go into some mad renaming hassel, it is a good idea to, at the very least, ensure that newly created pages should follow such standards, as they will make searching, indexing, and finding the page you need much easier! Imagine if you are looking for a page, cannot find it, and decide to create your own page, then it turns out that there's already such a page, just poorly named? That would have resulted in lost production, and to be frank, would be an annoyance (duplicate pages are a bad idea. How do we know what to link too?)



In other news, I've added the following templates.
Disambig
Incomplete
Wikify
As, well, I've improved the Cleanup template. Still more to come.
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« Reply #73 on: 17 September 2010, 00:03:09 »
Allrighty! After hours of work, I've finally got the template page up.

https://docs.megaglest.org/Glest:Templates

This is a list of all the templates, examples, and usage. Plus, there's infobox templates for all the major things, Unit, Techtree, Faction, and Map. I will attempt to improve the looks of the templates with images in the future, but for now, we got working templates and that will do for now. I've also filled in the primarily empty Magitech page, and will proceed to do so with the likewise empty Tech and Magic pages. And of course, everyone should come out and help expand the wiki!

I'm still expanding the Glest:Policies page, and will break it up further by splitting off the Style Guide section into its own full article, unless someone else does it first *wink*. Silnarm has been given Sysop privilleges to allow him to further improve the wiki, since that will make moving and deleting pages easier.

I think having pages for individual factions, techtrees, and units is a great idea, and would like to see more pages (Magitech has been started) and certainly more editors could be very helpful for such massive tasks. A quick note that pages for individual maps ARE allowed, though because of the large number of them, and the possibility of name conflicts, they should be a sub-page of 'Maps' (ie: in the forest map would be 'Maps/In_the_forest'). Happy wiki-ing!
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« Reply #74 on: 17 September 2010, 00:47:43 »
Allrighty! After hours of work, I've finally got the template page up.
Awesome! I was looking for a page for that before, but since there wasn't one I knew you would create one later.

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I think having pages for individual factions, techtrees, and units is a great idea, and would like to see more pages (Magitech has been started) and certainly more editors could be very helpful for such massive tasks.
Yeah, it is a great idea. Although most of the time when I create the pages, I kinda fail to have information on it...just basic stuff usually. Hopefully others will help.

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Good idea. Although I still don't know why there is a Glest Map wiki...but anyways speaking of maps, should the image for it be the map editor image or should it be an actual image of the map (probably/like when you zoom out all the way in GAE/MG.)?

 

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