skydome, yes or no?

[emscape]

the sequel to the last topic

[Gabbe]

bom, aslways? there should be more options...

[ElimiNator]

I say yes, and togleable.

[Travco]

Your making it togleable so, well theres no reason to not want it... If you don't want it just click it off (omfgrotflmao) crazy idea right?

[ElimiNator]

  yah.

[ultifd]

Sure, if they implement it...but it sure be somewhat togleable...optionable...in the options...etc. 

[MJR]

I say no a waist of time and memory.

[ElimiNator]

You cant realy look up...

[ultifd]

I say no a waist of time and memory.

Optional, if it was implemented. Devs' choice... 
Oh could you change the options to yes or no in the poll, no because always or never does not really fit... 

[MJR]

If you look at it from video memory it will probably never be use because of causing more choppiness and the sky dome will make it worst. plus even more code to add people will be turn off to such a big program just for a game. I say leave well enough alone. And remember not everyone has a 4 gig video card that cost between 2500 to 3000 dollars. And that is why even if put in as a option it would cause more trouble than it is really worth.

[emscape]

cmon, a 512 mb video card costs like 20$!

[Gabbe]

And remember not everyone has a 4 gig video card that cost between 2500 to 3000 dollars.

Its actually two 5870s in CrossFire mode, and glest i think no support fOR CrossFire, so it will probably only drag on the 2 GBs

[emscape]

no game at all will use more than the 2 gb, because in crossfire the memory of the videocards is exactly the same. So if u have 2x2gb also in games that do support crossfire, it still wont use more than 2 gb!

[wciow]

I would like to see a compromise. Instead of a full blown skybox/dome the background colour should be set to match the fogging colour of the current tileset. This would be much easier to code but give a better effect when veiwing a map from certain positions. It will still be ugly but a small improvement on the current situation.

[MJR]

If you don't believe me go check for 4 gig video cards they start at 2500 dollars. And go up from there. Once you get beyond the 1 gig video cards pieces go way up. even a single 2 gig video card is over 2000 dollars. So really a 4 gig video card is a good buy since you double the memory for only 500 more than the 2 gig video card. But the average 4 gig video card cost just over 3000 dollars but you can find some on sale for around 2500. So don't expect computer makers putting more than a gig video card in there machines any time soon unless you want to go back 25 years in the prices and pay 3500 dollars or more for your computer. And as far as how much memory Glest uses well when you have over 1000 units on the board not to mention trees water rocks and building and so on I bet when lets say half those 1000 units or more start to move it uses more than 2 gigs of video memory that is why the game gets more choppy the longer you play because so many units in the game not enough video memory.  In fact someone on this forum already said he has a 4 gig video card and it get a little choppy in the later game. If they made a 6 to 8 gig video card it might be able to handle a long Glest game with by that time maybe 1500 to 2000 units on the board. But as far as I know no one makes more than a 4 gig video card and as I have said the cost is more than most pay for there computer and printer put together.

[titi]

Glest doesn't need big video memory! Only tiny textures are used and I think most of the things are done in system memory and by CPU yet. I think using the opengl ( and by this the graphics card ) is something we maybe will do in the future to get a better performance.

For Sky Boxes:
A skydome(sky-box) is a widely used technic in other games and should not be too hard to implement for glest. I don't think it will give us a big benefit, but I'm shure its fun to implement it and thats why we will see it one day.
I really don't think this thing is very demanding for videocards and I don't think it will really effect the performance on any system. So its just an optical gimmick.

[MJR]

Well it is funny that someone here on the other thread talking on the sky dome says he has a 4 gig video card and even his card gets choppy in late game play and I have a quad core and my cpu never on Glest gets higher than 30 percent. So either everyone is having the same trouble with the choppiness in mid game. In fact I've had two different computers with three different video cards and the same thing always happens in Glest or MegaGlest the more units on the board the more the card struggles to deal with them specially when an attack come with a few hundred units moving around at the same time. A pixel is still memory and figure a few thousand or more on your screen and moving as fast as each can move and you get a video card stress can't keep up with that much information at one time. See HD TV doesn't have that many pixels moving at one time like Glest and MegaGlest does. Stationary objects are not as big of a problem for a video card as moving ones are.

[titi]

Currently Its the CPU which gets to the limit, usually not the GPU. ( Only very slow onboard gfx-cards have problems to handle glest/megaglest and are sometimes the bottleneck )
But we are getting offtopic here this thread is about sky boxes and they will not eat much performance.

[ElimiNator]

Well then there you go!         ...

[Gabbe]

If someone wants to know why i get choppy, my CPU downclocked to 800 `MHZ...and vista is a hardware whore...

[emscape]

thats right, he also said it in this post(the other was also mine sorry for double posting, coudnt add a poll anymore)

oh and btw a 2 gig videocard is only 600$ look 

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http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/productdb/bGtkbZiUmJnKZsg/viewproduct/Sapphire_Radeon_HD_5870_VaporX_2GB_Blue_PCB/
but also sorry for the offtopic

I think it would indeed be great to also have an option for videcards that are old, to have the option to enable the same colour as the drawing fog in the current tileset.

but please tell me, because my c++ knowledge is like nothing.

[MJR]

ATI are jokes for now they are hot running power hungry cards that have short lives.

[Fluffy203]

I bet my radeon 2x HD 5970 with crossfire will blow your nivida or whatever you use out of the water 

[emscape]

indeed, but i dont like the 5970 sorry, its just a bad way of introducing a 5870 x2 which is clocked lower:( but still it owns! especially on dirt 2.  ill take one 5870/5890 on christmas.... but is 2 gigs of vram not a little few for 4 engines?

[MJR]

If you want to pay 600 dollars and heat up your mother board and computer then I think it is you who is a fool not only will your video card have a short life but the whole computer will have a shorter life. You are throwing good money away. What is it mommy and daddy money or you just have more money than common seance.