Death Penalty

[John.d.h]

He wouldn't pay a penny(except for his jail time already of course) for what he's done, he would just go out painlessly like a light.

And what's the problem with that?  There's no reason to torture the poor bastard and make him mull over what he's done.  Just get rid of him and move on.

Jails are already built so we aren't "wasting" shelter, we have it to use, and I believe that it's much better to let them spend the rest of their lives suffering with the knowledge of the wrong they did. As for food, just give them some kind of nutrient paste. Give them the option of a proper meal if the family provides it or some company donate some meals.

We may not have to build new jails, but we sure have to provide them with electricity, guards, etc.  In 2007, the United States spent about six billion dollars per year to house its inmates.

I have mixed opinions. I do believe that serious crimes are worthy of the death penalty, but theres also the conflicting thoughts of "Does killing a killer solve anything?"

While I share some of your apprehension (killing people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?), I feel that there are certain people who need to be gotten rid of, and they sure as Hell don't deserve to be taken care of for the rest of their lives on my dime.

[-Archmage-]

Quote from: -Archmage- on Today at 10:26:00
He wouldn't pay a penny(except for his jail time already of course) for what he's done, he would just go out painlessly like a light.
And what's the problem with that?  There's no reason to torture the poor bastard and make him mull over what he's done.  Just get rid of him and move on.

John, he's torturing himself.

With the death penalty:
Let's say, hypothetically of course, I'm a criminal, I want to go rape and kill a girl. Maybe I can get away with it but what if I get caught? So what, they stick a needle in me and I just kinda get sleepy and don't wake up again. Not much to fear, I think doing that would be worth it(remember this is hypothetical)!

Without the death penalty:
Let's say(again hypothetically), I'm a criminal, I want to go rape and kill some girl I might be able to get away with it, but what if I get caught? If I get caught they're most likely going to put me in a box with crappy food and not much to do. A lot to fear there, I don't think I want to do that!

Basically, the death penalty encourages criminality.

On top off that: With the death penalty you don't have to worry about facing your family.

And another thing on top of that: Without the death penalty, innocent people can still be there to see their family.
Example: I have a cousin(I think he's my cousin) who's in jail for life(murder), I've only seen him once, he was a very nice guy, not the kind of guy that would kill, everyone in our family is absolutely sure he's innocent, and after meeting him, I'm inclined to agree. He's not dead, so he at least has some of his life, being able to see his family. Kill him and you just take away the entirety of an innocent guys life.

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Jails are already built so we aren't "wasting" shelter, we have it to use, and I believe that it's much better to let them spend the rest of their lives suffering with the knowledge of the wrong they did. As for food, just give them some kind of nutrient paste. Give them the option of a proper meal if the family provides it or some company donate some meals.
We may not have to build new jails, but we sure have to provide them with electricity, guards, etc.  In 2007, the United States spent about six billion dollars per year to house its inmates.

Oh, dummy me, completely forgot about the upkeep of the jails.


I think I have to agree that certain people don't deserve any form of life, but I don't think killing them is right, for people like Saddem Hussein(did I spell that right?), I think he should've be given solitary confinement for life, give him nutrient paste and water to live on.

[Gabbe]

who were talking about that way of killing? Lets say the governemnt says they used a worse method, in reality they used a fairly humane way...like you said...there is this electrical chair....and in US they keep death row people, and whne a president wants to tell the people that hes tough he executes them...

[xxcatmysteryxx]

I have mixed opinions. I do believe that serious crimes are worthy of the death penalty, but theres also the conflicting thoughts of "Does killing a killer solve anything?"

Things to ponder...

yes because it would stop many other people killing other people

[xxcatmysteryxx]

Quote from: -Archmage- on Today at 10:26:00
With the death penalty:
Let's say, hypothetically of course, I'm a criminal, I want to go rape and kill a girl. Maybe I can get away with it but what if I get caught? So what, they stick a needle in me and I just kinda get sleepy and don't wake up again. Not much to fear, I think doing that would be worth it(remember this is hypothetical)!

One word ELECTRIC CHAIR!!!!!!! then it world be suffering them at a low level of electrcity then higher would kill them. Easy as That.

With needles its just boring and we should not be caring toward them because they weren't caring to other people. And theres no suffereing. Whats the fun in that?

[-Archmage-]

Fun torturing people?! That's sick!

One word ELECTRIC CHAIR!!!!!!!

Uh....that's two words.....

With needles its just boring and we should not be caring toward them because they weren't caring to other people.

Just stick them in jail and give them some nasty nutrient paste and some water. Those criminals should be glad we don't pull their intestines out and cut off their toes(while they're alive), even though they do immoral things, we punish them in a moral and humane fashion.

[xxcatmysteryxx]

Fun torturing people?! That's sick!

yes it is anyways they deserve it

One word ELECTRIC CHAIR!!!!!!!

Uh....that's two words.....

i knew that  

With needles its just boring and we should not be caring toward them because they weren't caring to other people

Just stick them in jail and give them some nasty nutrient paste and some water. Those criminals should be glad we don't pull their intestines out and cut off their toes(while they're alive), even though they do immoral things, we punish them in a moral and humane fashion.

Again with the jail, no it costs too much. OMGGG we should do that; it would teach them a lesson for sure hehe   they just can't aprecaite that we can do much worse but we don't we are actually nice to them

[modman]

prison for life..then id rather death...

no but then we have to waste food and shelter careing for them; if they deserve it then they should die. Like charles manson killed so many people but hes still alive and in jail for life. he deserves the death penatly

Are you ready to play God?  If we allow one execution, we have to allow others.  Like I said, it can and will get out of hand, and someone will be wrongfully executed.

During the middle ages, around 50 thousand so called witches were burned at the stake.  It is safe to say that none of them were in consort with the Devil, and very few were malicious towards Christianity.

yes because it would stop many other people killing other people

Uh, no.  States with the death penalty have more violent crime.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates#stateswithvwithout



Also, it costs more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for life, because you have to exhaust your appeals (which means paying for a lawyer) and also because the chemicals themselves (in the case of lethal injection) aren't cheap.  Also, death row facilities are sparsely populated but are very expensive.

[John.d.h]

Uh, no.  States with the death penalty have more violent crime.

Correlation doesn't equal causality.

Also, it costs more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for life, because you have to exhaust your appeals (which means paying for a lawyer) and also because the chemicals themselves (in the case of lethal injection) aren't cheap.  Also, death row facilities are sparsely populated but are very expensive.

Sadly, this is true.  That doesn't mean that the death penalty is wrong; it just means that our judicial system is horrendously broken.  That should be common knowledge by now, though.

[Gabbe]

Fun torturing people?! That's sick! Shocked

yes it is anyways they deserve it

I wouldn`t want to spend money on it...kill them easy as that...

torturing isn`t the best solution unless you want people to give you information, but then again, you`ll also have to give them a reward...sometimes death can be a good reward when your being tortured...

For me the elctric chair is frightening enough...

[wyvern]

HARD LABOR!!! Minimal caring the criminal gets what he deserves and gets to live but theres actually some use out of him.

[Gabbe]

you mean slavery?

[wyvern]

No, but hard labor like in the old days. once he works for a very long time he can be set free but he will never try anything again cuz he'll be scared of whats gonna happen to him if he gets caught again, if you repeat the crime, death sentence.(this is only punishment for killers and rapists, not common criminals, thieves political criminals etc)

[Gabbe]

i would have gone angry at them...and stole even more things...

[wyvern]

But this isn't about stealing its about murder, if you get caught again murdering someone you get executed, thieves just go to jail or get a fine and don't get hard labor.

[Gabbe]

ok

[John.d.h]

HARD LABOR!!! Minimal caring the criminal gets what he deserves and gets to live but theres actually some use out of him.

Don't we have enough unemployment already?

[wyvern]

What does it have to do with unemployment

[John.d.h]

What does it have to do with unemployment

If you're giving jobs to your prisoners, then those are jobs that are not going to people who need them.

[Omega]

Dude, give 'em the jobs nobody wants, like building pyramids by hand... Oh, wait, this isn't egypt... but you get the point (support).

[-Archmage-]

Separate the prisoner workers and the citizen workers, and only the citizen workers would get pay of course.

[Gabbe]

noone wants to mine coal....in a dusty dirty mine...

Of course we could go reaaaaaly evil and put them in circus with lions...

[-Archmage-]

noone wants to mine coal....in a dusty dirty mine...

Yea, since no one wants to do that, the pay would go way up to attract people, a lot of people need the money.

Not everyone works because they want to, most people work because they have to earn a living.

[John.d.h]

noone wants to mine coal....in a dusty dirty mine...

Apparently you've never been to West Virginia.  It's good money and some people aren't afraid of hard work.

[Omega]

I dunno about coal, but northern sask has a number of uranium mines and potash mines that offer very good wages and onsite living accomodations. The work actually isn't as bad as it sounds.