ATI vs nVidia

[Coldfusionstorm]

lol, i know someone with a ATI card in a a laptop...

and it sucks horrendeous.

(okay, i dont know, but sersly, dont take taptops into this we all know laptop GFX sucks anway no need to get low).

[Gabbe]

lol, i know someone with a ATI card in a a laptop...

and it sucks horrendeous.

(okay, i dont know, but sersly, dont take taptops into this we all know laptop GFX sucks anway no need to get low).

still, i argue, ati = cheaper ati = better performance ati = less powersuck

[-Archmage-]

lol, i know someone with a ATI card in a a laptop...

I'm a person "with a ATI card in a a laptop".
My laptop is faster than my Mom's desktop computer by a huge amount!
Guess what her computer has an nVidia card and my laptop(as already stated) has an ATI card.

[Coldfusionstorm]

im not going to comment on laptop comments. srsly.

Desktop is superior to laptop.
ATI-VS-Nvida is a tastechoice

sometimes Nvidia is in front other times it is ATI.

nuff said.

[Gabbe]

no! when were NoobVidia leading? they are loosing terrain...heavilly...under assault by the mighty dragon technology!

watch this video, you think nVidia is cool? think again...

[Omega]

im not going to comment on laptop comments. srsly.

Desktop is superior to laptop.
ATI-VS-Nvida is a tastechoice

sometimes Nvidia is in front other times it is ATI.

nuff said.

No way! My laptop has a HD ATI graphics card with 1GB graphics memory. I've tried every game I have on my computer at the highest settings. Not even the slightest choppy graphics, and always over 20fps even on supreme graphics! My laptops owns both of my dad's computers put together! Really, how can it not? It even has a higher resolution (at 1600x900, pretty much the biggest popular widescreen resolution. There's bigger, but not common). GAE normal to GAE DE? Not even the slightest graphical impairment!

What do you have so much against laptops? I'll never use a desktop again after my laptop!

[ChupaReaper]

Chupareaper: I'm running a Windows 7 64-bit laptop, on an ATI RADEON HD 3200, it's working great! Whatever problem you have is with your computer not with ATI.

I've got a ATI RADEON HD 5400 and the giant mouse cursor thing is a known bug with the 5x series, mind it hasn't happened for ages now since my last driver update so hopefully it's gone or not occurring as much. Catalyst Centre still wont open though, I'll probably clean it out and install the latest version. Apart from that no problems at all. My laptop runs extremely fast with Intel i7 in it too, perfect for 1million units in Glest !
More on topic, I'd say I'm neutral between nVidia and ATI, it's the intel graphics I hate lmao.

[Gabbe]

i hate intel, still, gotta love ATI, 3 display one card FTW! go eyefinity! soon with 3d too. imagine three monitors with 3d.

I hate intels overpiced processors! they have just as much power as the amd hexa cores, still they cost 5 times the price.

ATI AMD! FUTURE IS FUSION!

[Omega]

i hate intel, still, gotta love ATI, 3 display one card FTW! go eyefinity! soon with 3d too. imagine three monitors with 3d.

I hate intels overpiced processors! they have just as much power as the amd hexa cores, still they cost 5 times the price.

ATI AMD! FUTURE IS FUSION!

AMD? You're kidding! Intel has the best processors ever!

[-Archmage-]

Screw Intel, as far as I know it has really crappy Linux compatability.

[ultifd]

I think Intel has most of the market. Besides Linux? Bad support? 
AMD is just always cheaper, maybe not quality, but at least in money...
I was kinda impressed with their Atom, not with i3, i5, or 17 though...
 

[-Archmage-]

I'm sticking with ATI and AMD, their stuff works good, and isn't expensive.

[ultifd]

True, and I usually do. But usually if you are looking for a "good deal" then usually I would look for intel, etc.

[Gabbe]

BUT if your upgrading a Intel processor, you`ll probably need a new motherboard, new RAM, + the processor because of compatibility issues, for me, amd got backwards compatibility. and is 1/6 the price..

[ultifd]

True, but if people got an Intel, they usually don't upgrade anyways... too expensive 
Unless they got a good deal, and they don't have any problems...

[-Archmage-]

My Dad spent hours and hours making nVidia work, ATI came right up, and runs dual-booted Linux and Win7 FLAWLESSLY.
Chipsets always suck no matter what, I've learned my lesson from nVidia, shop ATI dedicated graphics or don't shop at all.
ATI is raw awesomeness. nVidia is big bulks of weak power that brags about PhysX. If only AMD hadn't bought ATI, but rather formed a "dual-company".............

[Omega]

I've always seen better performance from ATI though, anyway. All my computers were ATI, all my dad's computers were Nvidia, and frankly, his all sucked...

Laptops don't have to have bad graphics cards, they are simply usually limited in modifying them, thus making it important to get a good laptop when you buy it. My laptop's graphics card can match any desktop, and exceed that of most desktops I've seen anyway. I know that windows experience index is a bad way to compare things, but having no other benchmark, my laptop hits 6.6 in both graphics (it's a scale from 1.0 - 7.9), and its the highest out of the categories.
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Laptops suffer from too many stereotypes because of some bad laptops. If you keep away from cheap laptops, you'll find plenty of hidden gems... Oh, and don't buy unknown brands, no matter their "stats", because they tend to perform worse than better brands of the same "stats". HP is my official favorite now, after performing so good for me for so long...

[Gabbe]

My Dad spent hours and hours making nVidia work, ATI came right up, and runs dual-booted Linux and Win7 FLAWLESSLY.
Chipsets always suck no matter what, I've learned my lesson from nVidia, shop ATI dedicated graphics or don't shop at all.
ATI is raw awesomeness. nVidia is big bulks of weak power that brags about PhysX. If only AMD hadn't bought ATI, but rather formed a "dual-company".............

AMD owned ATI always, they just changed the name.

You can change on notebooks for a fair price, it is just harder and you get less performance.

Laptops don't have to have bad graphics cards, they are simply usually limited in modifying them, thus making it important to get a good laptop when you buy it. My laptop's graphics card can match any desktop, and exceed that of most desktops I've seen anyway. I know that windows experience index is a bad way to compare things, but having no other benchmark, my laptop hits 6.6 in both graphics (it's a scale from 1.0 - 7.9), and its the highest out of the categories.
u
Laptops suffer from too many stereotypes because of some bad laptops. If you keep away from cheap laptops, you'll find plenty of hidden gems... Oh, and don't buy unknown brands, no matter their "stats", because they tend to perform worse than better brands of the same "stats". HP is my official favorite now, after performing so good for me for so long...

It isn`t a stereotype, on laptops you have limited power, limited airspace and so on, that makes it so that you must have a downclocked card or a fan worse than your local airport when ten jets lift off at the same time crashing into eachother. Your laptops card cannot match my desktop in any possible way, and a long shot from exceed it. You should also give all the infromation the indez gives you (RAM, AERO performance, data transfer numbers processing power and so on) then you can get a good comparable result. Dell delivers power and Asus delivers power for a fair price, I don`t know much about new HPs, but the older ones is just tragic dump Laptops just aren`t made for gaming and thats something someone has to get over.

[John.d.h]

It isn`t a stereotype, on laptops you have limited power, limited airspace and so on
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Laptops just aren`t made for gaming and thats something someone has to get over.

I can't really argue with that.  Desktops aren't nearly so limited by space and compactness of design, so you can have more processing cores, bigger cooling vents, etc., that you just can't fit into a laptop.  Laptops tend to be noisy and hot, and have you ever tried to use Blender or the GIMP on one of these?



I simply use laptops because wifi, mobility, and space are big priorities for me.  I don't have room for a tower, monitor, keyboard, mouse, and all the associated cords and cables...

[Omega]

I use my laptop for school projects. I take it traveling. I go lots of places with it. See why laptops win?

[Gabbe]

I use my laptop for school projects. I take it traveling. I go lots of places with it. See why laptops win?

No, for you they do, and don`t think i haven`t got a powerful laptop too for travelling purposes and, for other reasons. For school projects i get a free macbook anyways.

[-Archmage-]

Quote from: -Archmage- on December 11, 2010, 01:39:43
My Dad spent hours and hours making nVidia work, ATI came right up, and runs dual-booted Linux and Win7 FLAWLESSLY.
Chipsets always suck no matter what, I've learned my lesson from nVidia, shop ATI dedicated graphics or don't shop at all. Tongue
ATI is raw awesomeness. nVidia is big bulks of weak power that brags about PhysX. If only AMD hadn't bought ATI, but rather formed a "dual-company".............

AMD owned ATI always, they just changed the name.

Oh.......... What do I know?  Thanks.

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You can change on notebooks for a fair price, it is just harder and you get less performance.

Laptops don't have to have bad graphics cards, they are simply usually limited in modifying them, thus making it important to get a good laptop when you buy it. My laptop's graphics card can match any desktop, and exceed that of most desktops I've seen anyway. I know that windows experience index is a bad way to compare things, but having no other benchmark, my laptop hits 6.6 in both graphics (it's a scale from 1.0 - 7.9), and its the highest out of the categories.
u
Laptops suffer from too many stereotypes because of some bad laptops. If you keep away from cheap laptops, you'll find plenty of hidden gems... Oh, and don't buy unknown brands, no matter their "stats", because they tend to perform worse than better brands of the same "stats". HP is my official favorite now, after performing so good for me for so long...

It isn`t a stereotype, on laptops you have limited power, limited airspace and so on, that makes it so that you must have a downclocked card or a fan worse than your local airport when ten jets lift off at the same time crashing into eachother. Your laptops card cannot match my desktop in any possible way, and a long shot from exceed it. You should also give all the infromation the indez gives you (RAM, AERO performance, data transfer numbers processing power and so on) then you can get a good comparable result. Dell delivers power and Asus delivers power for a fair price, I don`t know much about new HPs, but the older ones is just tragic dump Tongue Laptops just aren`t made for gaming and thats something someone has to get over.

You can't fairly compare you're computer with anyone's, you're is like a $5000 computer, with 4 graphics cards and a 6 core processor, all overclocked heavily.
Alienware laptops are probably(might be some other random kind of laptop) the only laptops that can compare with properly rigged desktops. The Alienware laptops beat my rig, I can't max out Crysis, they can. But that will all change for me on Christmas..... Quad-core(or six), and Radeon HD 5870(or 5970 or 6870), here I come!!!!

It isn`t a stereotype, on laptops you have limited power, limited airspace and so on
<snip/>
Laptops just aren`t made for gaming and thats something someone has to get over.

I can't really argue with that.  Desktops aren't nearly so limited by space and compactness of design, so you can have more processing cores, bigger cooling vents, etc., that you just can't fit into a laptop.  Laptops tend to be noisy and hot, and have you ever tried to use Blender or the GIMP on one of these?

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I simply use laptops because wifi, mobility, and space are big priorities for me.  I don't have room for a tower, monitor, keyboard, mouse, and all the associated cords and cables...

I use a plug in USB mouse with my laptop, helps me game when I'm at my Mom's.

I use my laptop for school projects. I take it traveling. I go lots of places with it. See why laptops win?

Laptops are nice for mobile stuff(not allowed to take my laptop to LV ), but for power and stable network connections(taken care of in my case with cable from HUB), desktops are MUCH better.

I use my laptop for school projects. I take it traveling. I go lots of places with it. See why laptops win?

No, for you they do, and don`t think i haven`t got a powerful laptop too for travelling purposes and, for other reasons. For school projects i get a free macbook anyways.

Yuck, Mac...... Most horrid OS ever written! You've got a powerful version of everything dude.

[Omega]

I never use the laptop's touch pad as a mouse... I have a USB mouse that works just as well as any desktops. The pad is just an extra, so if I want to quickly run downstairs to show someone something, I just have to take the laptop, no cords dangling around.

My graphics card is a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650. Never had any problems, can play games well without lag on the highest settings (abet, I admit I don't have any truly stressing games. Best I tried was a over-maxed Oblivion... Did you know the INI values can exceed the ingame settings?).

[Gabbe]

Best I tried was a over-maxed Oblivion... Did you know the INI values can exceed the ingame settings?.

I do, and i bet arch does too, crysis can have some huge graphic changes from using the INI or file, i dont remember what it is called, but you can change specularity, normal map density, strenght, water reflection quality, and so on.
Hunter mod is best, beautifull scenery and all.

My graphics card is a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650. Never had any problems, can play games well without lag on the highest settings (abet, I admit I don't have any truly stressing games.)

while your card has a chip clock of 575 mhz, compared to 600 mhz desktop counterpart it looses.
and your card has 800mhz memory clock compared to 1 ghz of desktop, it looses a lot of performance, and lets not forget that the desktop card can be overclocked heavilly with watercooling and more, compared to the laptop card.

[John.d.h]

Just don't plan on gaming on one of these.  I actually got to play around with one the other day, as my landlord just got one for a not-very-tech-savvy friend.