Politics!

[Gabbe]

No arch, not world debat, even though it may turn to.

I wanna know, what is wrong with your governemnt and what is good?

For me, Norway can`t realy get any better, we still have to deal with having russia on our backs all the time, and we mere have 5 million citizens, and no military, but our economy is like the most super ownage ever.

[wyvern]

the good about the US government could be said in less then a paragraph, the bad though could go on indefinitely

[ultifd]

True, but also a lot of governments could be said...the same thing. 
US is just the most "publicized"... 

[wyvern]

True, but also a lot of governments could be said...the same thing. 
US is just the most "publicized"... 

Too true.

[xxcatmysteryxx]

Hmmm interresting topic I have a couple things to say: EVERYTHING in the government is bad no good things at all and nothing would ever improve. Its better to have no government at all (ANARCHY )

[wyvern]

Hmmm interresting topic I have a couple things to say: EVERYTHING in the government is bad no good things at all and nothing would ever improve. Its better to have no government at all (ANARCHY )

The problem is the that governments are often corrupt, weak, or have crazy goals, Anarchy means that there will be no order and without a government, who will make sure that the hospitals, schools, roads etc are looked after, what is necessary are strong leaders (such as Putin or Sarkozy) who will deal with problems and not try to fix them with a middle solution that makes neither side of any debate happy.

[xxcatmysteryxx]

Hmmm interresting topic I have a couple things to say: EVERYTHING in the government is bad no good things at all and nothing would ever improve. Its better to have no government at all (ANARCHY )

The problem is the that governments are often corrupt, weak, or have crazy goals, Anarchy means that there will be no order and without a government, who will make sure that the hospitals, schools, roads etc are looked after, what is necessary are strong leaders (such as Putin or Sarkozy) who will deal with problems and not try to fix them with a middle solution that makes neither side of any debate happy.

we don't really need a leader it just makes everything worse like that person is the most imortant and assinations of presidents and such also people wouldn't argue again which person is better. Also people would be equal and with things like mataining hospitlas and such that would be the common's person job

[wyvern]

Yeah right and things would rot, cuz whos gonna strain their backs for something without a reward, , it would end up like during communism, my mom says that while in the US they fix the road in say three months, it never got done back in the communist Czechoslovakia.

[xxcatmysteryxx]

Yeah right and things would rot, cuz whos gonna strain their backs for something without a reward, , it would end up like during communism, my mom says that while in the US they fix the road in say three months, it never got done back in the communist Czechoslovakia.

People now adays are lazy you should be proud that you did a good thing. Also you can earn respect but not too much to turn into a government like now

[-Archmage-]

The USA can be fixed a lot.

Why don't you democrats get out of the country, we'd be so much better off without you!

Reagan was a great president, we need to impeach Obama and get Palin in there, someone who has real experience, and who actually meets the qualifications for presidency. We could really do a number with the press, and get these sickening liars out of there and put real people in, we could do a total reform on the schools so that they weren't so crappy, we could reform the medical system, you democrats(and anyone else not following the constitution) could try following the constitution.

Stephanie: Anarchy is kinda what we're heading toward, then again socialists and communists would love for the government to run everybody's lives.
Anarchy is exactly what we don't want, we need a clear, and defined system, with good people running it, not a society of complete chaos.

[ultifd]

Actually, if the Republicans AND the Democrats got out of the US, then
"we'd be so much better off without them!"
...
of course, that probably will not happen...
usually, the presidency is like this
same different same different
so republican democrat republican democrat (after 8 years usually, who knows about 2012...  )
or it could be like democrat democrat republican...etc.
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Palin? Tea Party!  Joking...

The USA can be fixed a lot.

Like everything, or almost everything in this world... 
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What is good about the US? Some stuff, but there are too few that we can actually really discuss as "good", but...it is good, but not worth it or passes the...."rule?" 

[John.d.h]

Actually, if the Republicans AND the Democrats got out of the US, then
"we'd be so much better off without them!"

Word.

For the record, I'm leaning toward voting for Ron Paul, though it's really too early to tell.

[modman]

Reagan was a great president, we need to impeach Obama and get Palin in there, someone who has real experience, and who actually meets the qualifications for presidency.

A woman who considers seeing Russia from Alaska (impossible, actually) as foreign policy experience is a moron, no matter what party she runs for.  I suppose seeing Russian nuclear subs with Google Earth would make her an expert on military too.

http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html

Who raised national debt and bloated the government more?  Conservatives or Liberals?

Hmmm interresting topic I have a couple things to say: EVERYTHING in the government is bad no good things at all and nothing would ever improve. Its better to have no government at all (ANARCHY )

Which makes you an idiot.  The founding fathers formed a constitution and a government to protect the rights of the people.  Do you want to know what anarchy and tiny government?  Try the French revolution, the Rwanda genocides, looting after Hurricane Katrina, etc.  If there were no government, corporations would fill the power vacuum, and they are less concerned with your rights and well-being, and also not constrained by any constitution.  If they openly murdered competing executives, who would punish them?  In democracy, everyone gets a fair say in how society is run.

Real-life example: why would BP clean up the oil spill if not for the government?  Do you think BP cares about the environment?  It doesn't (it cannot).  The only thing BP is influenced by besides the government is stockholders.

Actually, if the Republicans AND the Democrats got out of the US, then
"we'd be so much better off without them!"

Word.

For the record, I'm leaning toward voting for Ron Paul, though it's really too early to tell.

I used to be libertarian (basically socially liberal and fiscally conservative), but for the reason above I am liberal in both categories.

[-Archmage-]

Bush of course has been accused for what Obama is doing now, that's a liberal graph obviously.

You democrats don't get it, most republicans thought Bush was about 50-50, though Obama is terrible, by far the worse president we've ever had, all this communism and socialism. *puke*

Think what you like, the facts speak for themselves.

I'd personally like to withdraw from this political debating(it's never going to get us anywhere besides trying to strange each other).

[ElimiNator]

Obama said he would not make any more taxes when campaigning.
Now that he is in... He is making taxes.

[-Archmage-]

Obama said he would not make any more taxes when campaigning.
Now that he is in... He is making taxes.

Exactly.

[ultifd]

it's never going to get us anywhere besides trying to strange each other

Strangle, right? Yeah, I guess, (depends). I would only like to do that in Glest...    or I mean megaglest, or GAE... 
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Arch, you are too one-sided...  That's the difference...
Also, who considers themselves Democrats here? No one even said that, and you are just judging...
False Judgment. Don't, please... 

Obama said he would not make any more taxes when campaigning.
Now that he is in... He is making taxes.

Well, you can never really trust what a president says. Any. Whether what party they are in, etc...Sometimes, you can. Depends.
I don't think Obama is a great president...I also don't think he is a bad one too.
In the middle, like most, that's my "rating".
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Hmm, I wonder what it would be like living in Canada...   
(Although I'm not that far from...)  And I've been there...very nice and fun, and "cool". 
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Actually, if the Republicans AND the Democrats got out of the US, then
"we'd be so much better off without them!"

Word.
For the record, I'm leaning toward voting for Ron Paul, though it's really too early to tell.

Yeah, I agree.
Yep, too early. We'll see. 
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Huh. Sorry gabbe, (I guess) for the "OT" content of this topic (not the OT stuff in this post...)
It can't be helped. The US is... well, we know.  And when people debate on it, it can maybe get hectic, or not.  Depends...
Maybe someone should create a US political debate topic... Oh, on second thought, don't. That will just continue the problems. (If there will be any)
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For me, Norway can`t realy get any better, we still have to deal with having russia on our backs all the time, and we mere have 5 million citizens, and no military, but our economy is like the most super ownage ever

No military...? You mean generally, right? I'm pretty sure there were some Norwegian armies... probably more like groups.   Best economy? hmm...  how about the food? [OT alert]  ...
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EVERYTHING in the government is bad no good things at all and nothing would ever improve. Its better to have no government at all (ANARCHY )

No, what Modman said. 
A government is needed...it's just that the US one has flaws...(but every type and government always has some)
It's needed. Sometimes they just don't to a good job...on somethings.

[modman]

Think what you like, the facts speak for themselves.

Bush of course has been accused for what Obama is doing now, that's a liberal graph obviously.

Those ARE the numbers.  And you're right, the facts speak for themselves.

Honestly, I can't even imagine how you would twist a bar graph to be "Democrat" or "Republican".  Maybe Arch would like to tell us how he recons that happened...

Otherwise, if you don't like the facts, I don't know what to tell ya.  Be better informed, don't watch Fox, etc.

You democrats don't get it, most republicans thought Bush was about 50-50,

Obviously not, since he got elected twice.

[xxcatmysteryxx]

Stephanie: Anarchy is kinda what we're heading toward, then again socialists and communists would love for the government to run everybody's lives.
Anarchy is exactly what we don't want, we need a clear, and defined system, with good people running it, not a society of complete chaos.

You wouldn't know it could turn out just fine maybe even better then what pro-government people think would be chaos. People think it would be bad and all chatic because you lived with the governement your whole lives. You lived constrained and influenced how others think you should live your lives. The goverment hides so much that common people don't know and lie. Just like the vietnam war they had lied that they were winning but in reality they were lossing and they found this out when (i forgot what it was called) but north vietnam attacked a whole bunch of bi major cites in south vietnam even military base. They also taking away your freedom by they can see what you look up on the internet expecially if you are a suppect terroist or any bad person.

[xxcatmysteryxx]

The founding fathers formed a constitution and a government to protect the rights of the people.  Do you want to know what anarchy and tiny government?  Try the French revolution, the Rwanda genocides, looting after Hurricane Katrina, etc.  If there were no government, corporations would fill the power vacuum, and they are less concerned with your rights and well-being, and also not constrained by any constitution.  If they openly murdered competing executives, who would punish them?  In democracy, everyone gets a fair say in how society is run.

Real-life example: why would BP clean up the oil spill if not for the government?  Do you think BP cares about the environment?  It doesn't (it cannot).  The only thing BP is influenced by besides the government is stockholders.

But they are not cleaning it up anyhow plus they stole my idea of building a new oil rig they tapping into the old one to make it stop. Anyways they say they can't do it because it would take too long. If they did it in they begining then it would be almost done by now and it wouldn't go on as long as it has...

[Gabbe]

Our Major oil company [StatOil] looses millions of NOK each day because of this...oil thing..



BTW from my sources the oil fund of ours holds 2.6 trillion Kroner, you can have it in Euro by dividing it on 6 i think...

[Omega]

I'm not american, Canada is WAY better, but if I had to say, Roosevelt was the best american president. Of course, I wasn't even born at that time.....

[Gabbe]

Im find a comparison between america and canada..economically...

US has 9.5 times greater GDP.
US has 3.5% greater GDP per capita.
Canada's GDP is growing 0.7% more over a 1 year period, and 0.4% over a 10 year period.
US has a 29.3% higher disposable income.
Canada has a 1.4 times higher unemployment rate.
US is Canada's largest trading partner. Canada is US' largest trading partner.
Canada's lending represents 1.0% of its GDP. US' borrowing represents 2.5% of its GDP.
US has 10.2% greater marketable debt as expressed in % of GDP.
US spends 3.7 times more money on military as expressed in % of GDP.
US spends 1.4 times more money on R&D as expressed in % of GDP.
Canada publicly spends 1.8 times more on development AID as expressed in % of GNI.
US spends 0.9% more money on education as expressed in % of GDP.
US spends 1.5 times more money on health care as expressed in % of GDP.
Canada spends 2.6% more money in total as expressed in % of GDP.
Canada collects 6.1% more taxes as expressed in % of GDP.
US has 1.6 times greater CPI.
US dollar is 11.8% greater in value.

Still this is outdated info from 2005, now china got their hand on the US balls...ready to drag any time..

[modman]

You wouldn't know it could turn out just fine maybe even better then what pro-government people think would be chaos. People think it would be bad and all chatic because you lived with the governement your whole lives. You lived constrained and influenced how others think you should live your lives.

This would only be true if we had no knowledge of history.  History has showed that anarchy is hell.  And let me tell you a little non-secret: almost everyone is "pro-government".  Seriously.  Give us an example of why having no government is best.

But they are not cleaning it up anyhow plus they stole my idea of building a new oil rig they tapping into the old one to make it stop. Anyways they say they can't do it because it would take too long. If they did it in they begining then it would be almost done by now and it wouldn't go on as long as it has...

OK, now you just have found yourself at odds with reality.  You need to create a fake reality to make up for the fact that anarchism never works.

[Omega]

Im find a comparison between america and canada..economically...

US has 9.5 times greater GDP.
US has 3.5% greater GDP per capita.
Canada's GDP is growing 0.7% more over a 1 year period, and 0.4% over a 10 year period.
US has a 29.3% higher disposable income.
Canada has a 1.4 times higher unemployment rate.
US is Canada's largest trading partner. Canada is US' largest trading partner.
Canada's lending represents 1.0% of its GDP. US' borrowing represents 2.5% of its GDP.
US has 10.2% greater marketable debt as expressed in % of GDP.
US spends 3.7 times more money on military as expressed in % of GDP.
US spends 1.4 times more money on R&D as expressed in % of GDP.
Canada publicly spends 1.8 times more on development AID as expressed in % of GNI.
US spends 0.9% more money on education as expressed in % of GDP.
US spends 1.5 times more money on health care as expressed in % of GDP.
Canada spends 2.6% more money in total as expressed in % of GDP.
Canada collects 6.1% more taxes as expressed in % of GDP.
US has 1.6 times greater CPI.
US dollar is 11.8% greater in value.

Still this is outdated info from 2005, now china got their hand on the US balls...ready to drag any time..

I take it you copied from: http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/simdiff.htm ?

Here's the people wise:

US has 9.2 times more people.
US has a slightly younger population.
US has a 16% higher growth rate.
Canada has a 23.2% higher migrant rate.
Canada has a 1% greater male pop.
Canada has a 3.8% higher life expectancy.
Canada has 2.3% more Whites, 2.2 times more Asians, and 3.7 times more Natives. US has 5.7 times more Blacks. All per capita.
US has a 8.4% higher death rate.
US has a 25.3% higher birth rate.

Economics is obviously a complicated area and there are many factors to consider, but one major factor that helps the US maintain its strength in the global economy and in comparison to Canada in particular, is its large domestic market. Interestingly, if the European Union is counted as a nation, it would have a larger GDP than the United States, but Canada and the United States combined would make the world's largest economy.

1 Canadian dollar = 0.960061 U.S. dollars

This is VERY interesting: http://www.theseminal.com/2007/06/01/before-you-compare-canada-vs-the-united-states/