Magitech Revamp?

[Zoythrus]

do you guys ever plan on releasing an "expansion" to the normal magitech factions? when i mean expansion, i mean an expanding of the factions. like, the Tech can get more steampunkish and the Magic can be more proficient in the mystical arts.

why do i ask for an expansion? because if they have been fighting for so long, you would think that they would become more advanced. so, i think that they need more expanding.

honestly, the two original factions seem so small compared to factions from other games, so why cant they get an upgrade?

[ultifd]

Because Tucho and the others don't really have the time now, and/or for other reasons...so no probably...
If you want a response from them, you will probably need to wait a little while...
the closest thing is if people make high quality (or a high as the original models and such) are...then it's good...I guess. (Some that have been created are like that already, or so...)

Of course, it would be greeaaaattt...but...maybe in the future? 

[Gabbe]

doesn`t MK2...

[ultifd]

doesn`t MK2...

...he was asking for an update by actually the original creators...mk2 is nice, but wouldn't be as nice if they actually did it... 
It is one of the closest things though, for now... 

[Gabbe]

lets clash all the good modders together and make a little update, shouldn`t take as logn time as dm

[-Archmage-]

Learning some real "reliable" phrases from Fluff, aren't 'cha?

"Let's all collaborate and do this!" Good Luck.


Have you guys forgotten Magitech-Refit, it'll probably be years before I pick that mod up again, would any of you like to pick it up again?

[ultifd]

Have you guys forgotten Magitech-Refit, it'll probably be years before I pick that mod up again, would any of you like to pick it up again?

I remember it was good, but unbalanced...to each other...

[Gabbe]

if you ahevn`t noticed, my english is still WIP lol

[ultifd]

if you ahevn`t noticed, my english is still WIP lol

it's fine, ... just maybe grammar? (but then mines would be bad...) if you would just take some more time in your posting, then it would be..good? 

Anyways, we'll see for the glest team....probably no though...

[ElimiNator]

I could help some on what ever you pick.

[Gabbe]

A steampunk cannnon, automatic, uses EP to attack,

EP = Ammo
     or
EP = Overheat

[Omega]

Once again, FPM was never completed, and it was the closest there was to a magitech expansion. However, there was a few points:

-Community lacked interest. Not enough people h :Pelping
-AI cannot use sub factions
-Very incomplete
-Download may or may not be still available
-Some features, such as carrier units, weren't yet implimented (soon to come!)

I'm thinking if I ever see the GAE bugs like AI not using the sub factions (a vital must for FPM, which is very dependant on sub factions) as well as perhaps the carrier units. Daniel was a bit fussy about having some new plan to revamp the layout of FPM, so that set me behind when I tried to make it, but he never gave his ideas and I haven't seen him in a while, so we could just continue on.

If I did, It wouldn't be a true community project because those always fail, but individuals COULD help me with modeling. Of course, conflicting work would force production (or re-production, I should say) back a month or two.

[ElimiNator]

If we did this would it be for GAE and no MG?

[Omega]

Of course, because it depends greatly on GAEs functions. In fact, GAE was originally made to create FPM, not the other way around.

Not unless MG wants to incorporate almost everything GAE has...

*I support MegaGAE. Merge MG into GAE!*

[-Archmage-]

*I support MegaGAE. Merge MG into GAE!*

You must be behind on reading forum posts, because merging GAE and MG has proven practically impossible.

[Gabbe]

soon GAE has 16 player support, and probably MG particles...whats left?

[ultifd]

*I support MegaGAE. Merge MG into GAE!*

You must be behind on reading forum posts, because merging GAE and MG has proven practically impossible.

Not really, just kinda hard...not as much as impossible though... 

soon mG has 16 player support, and probably MG particles...whats left?

GAE, you mean...

[Gabbe]

soon mG has 16 player support, and probably MG particles...whats left?
GAE, you mean...

never claimed otherwise... yey! i practise my "edit-post-skill"

[wyvern]

GW-pack will have tanks new aircraft, possibly hero units and new workers for tech, there may be cannons, magic will get new mages a phoenix, wyvern, undead, and sarissa armed ghost armor and a hero so thats what I'm doing right now as my main project
I think my personal redo of magitech should be good and it will be very balanced obviously it will come out with the gervoriath so it won't be like the original but still, in addition, when I started my topic almost no one except for Hypercube and tiger showed any signs of interest in helping with the project.

[Omega]

*I support MegaGAE. Merge MG into GAE!*

You must be behind on reading forum posts, because merging GAE and MG has proven practically impossible.

I don't think that's so. Programming-wise, its definately possible. Just has a degree of difficulty. It'd be possibly easier to simply see how MG does a something (in the basics) and code it from scratch into GAE.

Really though, after more players and the particles (I'm assuming that the map format will come with the more players). All MG really will have will be the server. Once its tested to be completely stable, GAE could probably merge that (since GAE recently reverted to Glest 3.2.2's multiplayer, the same thing MG built itself upon.

Really though, this is getting offtopic, so lets go back to talking about a magitech extension.
Wyvern, while I suppose your mod might fit in well for what Zoy is looking for, I personally can't see myself using heros as part as normal play. I still have bad memories of scenarios in other games where my main character couldn't die (or at least if they died, you'd be at a severe disadvantage).

Why do I not seem to be expressing enthusasm to your guy's mods? The mod board swamped me long ago. I no longer have time to view all these mods, especially with so many questions, _wannabes_, abandoned mods, and people requesting modellers (or an occasional modeller creating models). So its hard suited to find my posts on the mods board except on a select few topics.

[ultifd]

Why do I not seem to be expressing enthusasm to your guy's mods? The mod board swamped me long ago. I no longer have time to view all these mods, especially with so many questions, _wannabes_, abandoned mods, and people requesting modellers (or an occasional modeller creating models). So its hard suited to find my posts on the mods board except on a select few topics.

I agree...takes a lot of extra time now... 

Really though, this is getting offtopic, so lets go back to talking about a magitech extension.

Well, originally, I think Zoy was asking for an update from the Glest Team...
now, I guess...well... I don't know, I keep thinking about the mod section...

[wyvern]

heroes aren't necessary, its just an idea, still most of my mod pack contains what you guys are looking for

[wyvern]

Oh maybe I should make GW-pack for GAE especially since ww1 mod which will be part of the second one is for GAE, if anyone would help me I would really appreciate it, I forgot to mention tiger is making me the horse archer.

[John.d.h]

If you want to do something for GAE, you might find this useful:

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<sound enabled="false"/>
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<skill>
<type value="die"/>
<name value="die_skill"/>
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<speed value="100"/>
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<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_die1.ogg"/>
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<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_die4.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_die5.ogg"/>
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<name value="move_skill"/>
<ep-cost value="0"/>
<speed value=""/>
<anim-speed value="100"/>
<animation path="models/dentist_move.g3d"/>
<sound enabled="false"/>
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<sound enabled="false"/>
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<name value="attack_skill"/>
<ep-cost value="0"/>
<speed value=""/>
<anim-speed value="100"/>
<animation path="models/dentist_attack.g3d"/>
<sound enabled="false"/>
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<sound enabled="true" start-time="0.0">
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_attack1.ogg"/>
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<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_attack4.ogg"/>
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<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_build3.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_build4.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_build5.ogg"/>
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<skill>
<type value="repair"/>
<name value="repair_skill"/>
<ep-cost value="0"/>
<speed value=""/>
<anim-speed value="100"/>
<animation path="models/dentist_build.g3d"/>
<sound enabled="true" start-time="0">
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_build1.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_build2.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_build3.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_build4.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_build5.ogg"/>
</sound>
</skill>
-->

<!--
<skill>
<type value="harvest"/>
<name value="harvest_skill"/>
<ep-cost value="0"/>
<speed value=""/>
<anim-speed value="100"/>
<animation path="models/dentist_harvest.g3d"/>
<sound enabled="true" start-time="0">
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_harvest1.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_harvest2.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_harvest3.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_harvest4.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_harvest5.ogg"/>
</sound>
</skill>
-->

<!--
<skill>
<type value="harvest"/>
<name value="mine_skill"/>
<ep-cost value="0"/>
<speed value=""/>
<anim-speed value="100"/>
<animation path="models/dentist_mine.g3d"/>
<sound enabled="true" start-time="0">
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_mine1.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_mine2.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_mine3.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_mine4.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_mine5.ogg"/>
</sound>
</skill>
-->

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<skill>
<type value="be_built"/>
<name value="be_built_skill"/>
<ep-cost value="0"/>
<speed value="100"/>
<anim-speed value="100"/>
<animaton path="models/dentist_be_built.g3d"/>
<sound enabled="false"/>
</skill>
-->

<!--
<skill>
<type value="morph"/>
<name value="morph_skill"/>
<ep-cost value="0"/>
<speed value=""/>
<anim-speed value="100"/>
<animation path="models/dentist_morph.g3d"/>
<sound enabled="false"/>
</skill>
-->

<!--
<skill>
<type value="stop"/>
<name value="stop_loaded_skill"/>
<ep-cost value="0"/>
<speed value="100"/>
<anim-speed value="100"/>
<animation path="models/dentist_stop_loaded.g3d"/>
<sound enabled="false"/>
</skill>
-->

<!--
<skill>
<type value="stop"/>
<name value="stop_loaded_wood_skill"/>
<ep-cost value="0"/>
<speed value="100"/>
<anim-speed value="100"/>
<animation path="models/dentist_stop_loaded_wood.g3d"/>
<sound enabled="false"/>
</skill>
-->

<!--
<skill>
<type value="produce"/>
<name value="produce_skill"/>
<ep-cost value="0"/>
<speed value=""/>
<anim-speed value="100"/>
<animation path="models/dentist_produce.g3d"/>
<sound enabled="false"/>
</skill>
-->

</skills>

<!-- *** COMMANDS *** -->

<commands>
<command>
<type value="stop"/>
<name value="stop"/>
<image path="../dun/images/moon_stop.bmp"/>
<unit-requirements/>
<upgrade-requirements/>
<move-skill value="move_skill"/>
</command>

<command>
<type value="move"/>
<name value="move"/>
<image path="../dun/images/moon_move.bmp"/>
<unit-requirements/>
<upgrade-requirements/>
<move-skill value="move_skill"/>
</command>


<command>
<type value="attack"/>
<name value="attack"/>
<image path="images/dentist_attack.bmp"/>
<unit-requirements/>
<upgrade-requirements/>
<move-skill value="move_skill"/>
<attack-skill value="attack_skill"/>
</command>

<!--
<command>
<type value="attack_stopped"/>
<name value="hold_position"/>
<image path="../dun/images/moon_hold.bmp"/>
<unit-requirements/>
<upgrade-requirements>
</upgrade-requirements>
<stop-skill value="stop_skill"/>
<attack-skill value="attack_skill"/>
</command>
-->

<!--
<command>
<type value="guard"/>
<name value="guard"/>
<image path="../dun/images/moon_guard.bmp"/>
<unit-requirements/>
<upgrade-requirements>
</upgrade-requirements>
<move-skill value="move_skill"/>
<attack-skill value="attack_skill"/>
<max-distance value=""/>
</command>
-->

<!--
<command>
<type value="repair"/>
<name value="repair"/>
<image path="../dun/images/moon_repair.bmp"/>
<unit-requirements/>
<upgrade-requirements/>
<move-skill value="move_skill"/>
<repair-skill value="repair_skill"/>
<repaired-units>
<unit name=""/>
</repaired-units>
</command>
-->

<!--
<command>
<type value="build"/>
<name value="build"/>
<image path="../dun/images/moon_build.bmp"/>
<unit-requirements/>
<upgrade-requirements/>
<move-skill value="move_skill"/>
<build-skill value="build_skill"/>
<buildings>
<building name=""/>
</buildings>
<start-sound enabled="true">
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_work_start1.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_work_start2.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_work_start3.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_work_start4.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_work_start5.ogg"/>
</start-sound>
<built-sound enabled="true">
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_work_done1.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_work_done2.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_work_done3.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_work_done4.ogg"/>
<sound-file path="sounds/dentist_work_done5.ogg"/>
</built-sound>
</command>
-->

<!--
<command>
<type value="harvest"/>
<name value="mine"/>
<image path="../dun/images/moon_mine.bmp"/>
<unit-requirements/>
<upgrade-requirements/>
<move-skill value="move_skill"/>
<harvest-skill value="mine_skill"/>
<stop-loaded-skill value="stop_loaded_skill"/>
<move_loaded-skill value="move_loaded_skill"/>
<harvested-resources>
<resource name="gold"/>
<resource name="stone"/>
</harvested-resources>
<max-load value=""/>
<hits-per-unit value="1"/>
</command>
-->

<!--
<command>
<type value="harvest"/>
<name value="harvest"/>
<image path="../dun/images/moon_harvest.bmp"/>
<unit-requirements/>
<upgrade-requirements/>
<move-skill value="move_skill"/>
<harvest-skill value="harvest_skill"/>
<stop-loaded-skill value="stop_loaded_wood_skill"/>
<move_loaded-skill value="move_loaded_wood_skill"/>
<harvested-resources>
<resource name="wood"/>
</harvested-resources>
<max-load value=""/>
<hits-per-unit value="1"/>
</command>
-->

<!--
<command>
<type value="morph"/>
<name value=""/>
<image path=""/>
<unit-requirements/>
<upgrade-requirements/>
<morph-skill value="morph_skill"/>
<morph-unit name=""/>
<discount value="0"/>
</command>
-->

<!--
<command>
<type value="produce"/>
<name value=""/>
<image path=""/>
<unit-requirements/>
<upgrade-requirements/>
<produce-skill value="produce_skill"/>
<produced-unit name=""/>
</command>
-->

</commands>
</unit>

It's an XML template I made that includes all commands and skills, as well as GAE-only features like effects and emanations.  Just delete or comment out the parts you don't need.  Also, obviously "search and replace all" to change "dentist" to the name of the unit, and you'll need to change the Moon-related directory names.

[Omega]

Or john, there is a GAE section on the glest guide that not only has the templates, but descriptions of what each value is for. It also separates the GAE only stuff from the normal glest stuff. Though seriously, this is even more offtopic.

The original question was if to expect an (official?) revamp of magitech. The answer is no. The glest team doesn't really work on glest any more, other than a bit of board maintenance and perhaps an occasional post. They have all moved on to new projects.

However, apparent from the posts here, theres a few people making UNOFFICIAL extensions to magitech, such as Four Path Magitech.