Linux vs PC vs mac

[Gabbe]

John, I have Ubuntu and i use it at times, I still prefer vista, probably because there i know were verything is, but Ubuntu is still good, and maybe better, but im not yet very used to it. Still, everytime a new OS Windows is out, all the old users complain, because they need to familiarise, look how none of the new computer users complain...

[John.d.h]

John, I have Ubuntu and i use it at times, I still prefer vista, probably because there i know were verything is, but Ubuntu is still good, and maybe better, but im not yet very used to it.

Yeah, that's how I was at first.  It just took a little getting used to, and after that it was great.  You've tried it, and that's good, but there are a lot of people who are just too stubborn to try something new or think they won't be able to figure it out.

Still, everytime a new OS Windows is out, all the old users complain, because they need to familiarise, look how none of the new computer users complain...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks

[Gabbe]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks  Grin

lmao 

[Omega]

Who needs IRC Clients? That's what cross-platform in-browser 'clients' are for!

http://webchat.freenode.net/

[ultifd]

Who needs IRC Clients? That's what cross-platform in-browser 'clients' are for!
http://webchat.freenode.net/

There are kinda other reasons that you wouldn't want to use those though, nothing bad about that...but I'd rather use a client. 

[Loronal]

PC = Personal Computer
PC does NOT mean Windows.

I hate Mac, love Windows and Linux.   Sometimes I have problems with Linux, sometime with Windows, but I always manage to get by the problems without much hassle. Though with Mac.......*puke*, the UI is so crappy and hard to deal with, and it's very confusingly and illogically structured.

Well that came from a kde user only they could like linux looks over mac looks. Man Gnome and XCFE or Such Bad Imitations of the beauty of the mac desktop. Macs are the best if you got the money to pay for them why?
1. Mac is an all rounder it has more compatibility than linux but less than windows. Mac has less viruses than windows but more than linux. But unfortunately it costs so damn much that it angers me thats why I will never buy one an alienware is way ****ing better than a macbook so Im strange I wrote the most Hippocratic post in history but Im happy the

[Gabbe]

Yay your back! XD I simply don`t like the price or UI of the mac. especially the price..

[ultifd]

Well, yeah, it is the price which is the start of the problem...
Then, a lot of people say Apple is a bad company...or they have bad support, I hear. (Of course the fruit is great though...)

[ultifd]

Sorry for the bump and double post, but these few discussions that are good should be revived.
I assume you guys have heard about the new interface for Windows 8, right? Ribbon? If that's true, I might just switch everything to Ubuntu...

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[John.d.h]

Really?  The "ribbon" concept is what made the recent versions of Microsoft Office so counter-intuitive and difficult to use, so why would they want to extend that same (dys)functionality to the rest of their operating system?  Oh, right -- Microsoft is more interested in making it so people have to learn a new system and can't go on using the previous one, so their customers will keep buying their products.  Plus, it takes up even more of that valuable vertical space that is already at a premium on widescreen monitors, making it so people will buy new computers because their old ones can't the new and worse interface.  This is just keeping the worst things about Windows 7's interface, and making them worse.

I hope that was somebody's bad April Fool's joke... Oh wait, Windows is already a sad joke.

[-Archmage-]

Windows really isn't that bad, in all fair comparison if you don't want to code your own version of Linux, Windows is more useful, and Windows 7 is actually quite good. But I will agree any day that that ribbon interface is awful.....

[John.d.h]

Useful and good are relative terms here.  If you mean productive and efficient, I'll take Linux over Windows every day.  Look at the awful mess that is the Windows start menu.  Click start, click programs, scroll around to find the folder it's in (if you can even remember which one), click the folder, click the program.  That's just to launch an application, which is the most fundamental function of an operating system.  The sole function of Windows is to run programs, and it's not even efficient at doing that.  The simple things should be simple to do.  How about installing a program?  I'd much rather sudo apt-get install foo or find it on Synaptic than track it down on the internet and click through a 10-step installer.  Even if it's not available in the repo, there's a good chance there's a *.deb package on the program's site, which is still easier than a traditional Windows-style installer.  Windows has the advantage that commercial games are heavily geared toward playing only on that system, and Linux is not perfect by any means, but I'll take it just about anything over Windows.

[ultifd]

It just depends, I would use both of them for different reasons...for stuff related to coding, I would probably use linux...it's seem much easier, even just at compiling.

I also wish I wouldn't have to worry about viruses, malware, and etc... (though that's oldddd news) but with my anti-everything, I guess I'm good.

It seems that if you're good at typing and memorizing things like commands, linux is good...cept if you want to play some games. (There are some awesome games for linux though, sometimes linux only...  )

[-Archmage-]

Useful and good are relative terms here.  If you mean productive and efficient, I'll take Linux over Windows every day.  Look at the awful mess that is the Windows start menu.  Click start, click programs, scroll around to find the folder it's in (if you can even remember which one), click the folder, click the program.  That's just to launch an application, which is the most fundamental function of an operating system.  The sole function of Windows is to run programs, and it's not even efficient at doing that.  The simple things should be simple to do.  How about installing a program?  I'd much rather sudo apt-get install foo or find it on Synaptic than track it down on the internet and click through a 10-step installer.  Even if it's not available in the repo, there's a good chance there's a *.deb package on the program's site, which is still easier than a traditional Windows-style installer.  Windows has the advantage that commercial games are heavily geared toward playing only on that system, and Linux is not perfect by any means, but I'll take it just about anything over Windows.

You're talkin raw windows, raw linux sucks too. I have Free-Commander a free-ware file manager. I click one button and it pulls up all the stuff I was just doing on Constellus, and any other tabs I have open. I rarely ever use the start menu, and I pity the average windows user. Dude you can complain all you want about windows, but have you ever tried to find a solution? Plus I like to use up-to-date technology, and 64-bit linux doesn't have very good support, so I got tons and tons of problems all the time, whereas 64-bit windows almost always works properly, I've only have a few clashes. Besides Windows costs as much as Ubuntu, if you want it too. 

[ElimiNator]

It is way easier to Mod in Ubuntu. I have windows 7 and Ubuntu, and I like Ubuntu way better. (If only all the games at the store would work!)

[Omega]

Look at the awful mess that is the Windows start menu.

You do know you can modify it? I sorted mine into categorized folder (having items in the start menu has the advantage of an faster searching, making it beneficial to have commonly used programs in it, even if they are on the desktop too).

I agree, RAW windows is bad. As it is, the default settings are horrible, it's lacking in functionality, and whatnot, but in the hands of an experienced user, it can be very powerful. One complaint I often hear is people saying it crashes, is slow, or give BSoD's, but personally, I've never had any more problems with it than linux. Having tried modding on both, I've found it easier on windows because of its slew of programs, which is were linux shortfalls.

[John.d.h]

Sure, Windows can have a decent menu, be fairly fast, and be secure against viruses if you change all of the settings and perform all kinds of maintenance on it, but why should you have to?  All the time spent tweaking, securing, defragging, virus-scanning, and rebooting every time your system or your anti-virus program updates itself...  Instead of buying a moped and trying to turn it into a motorcycle, I'd rather just have a motorcycle to begin with, especially if it's one that's less likely to crash and never needs its oil changed (and you can trade it in for another model for free any time you want).

[ultifd]

If we're talking about RAW Windows and Linux, I'm pretty sure Linux is just a bit better... 

Sure, Windows can have a decent menu, be fairly fast, and be secure against viruses if you change all of the settings and perform all kinds of maintenance on it, but why should you have to?  All the time spent tweaking, securing, defragging, virus-scanning, and rebooting every time your system or your anti-virus program updates itself...  Instead of buying a moped and trying to turn it into a motorcycle, I'd rather just have a motorcycle to begin with, especially if it's one that's less likely to crash and never needs its oil changed (and you can trade it in for another model for free any time you want).

Right, it is kinda annoying to do that every now and then. Unfortunately BSoDs still happen, sometimes it doesn't have to be something that harms your comp...it could be hardware too    

Besides Windows costs as much as Ubuntu, if you want it too. 

But it usually about the real cost...money. And in that aspect Ubuntu wins...

[-Archmage-]

I've moved to Windows because I grew up with Linux and I loved it somewhat, but I got so sick and tired all the problems it gave me. I loved Kubuntu 8.04, after that I got into high-end gaming and I started to loath the new linux versions.

Quote from: -Archmage- on April 04, 2011, 20:34:57
Besides Windows costs as much as Ubuntu, if you want it too.  Tongue
But it usually about the real cost...money. And in that aspect Ubuntu wins... Tongue

You seem to have misunderstood.

[Gabbe]

I have BSoDs but because of my motherboard, other than that im fine   

Thou i like archLinux! yay

[ultifd]

Quote from: -Archmage- on April 04, 2011, 20:34:57
Besides Windows costs as much as Ubuntu, if you want it too.  Tongue
But it usually about the real cost...money. And in that aspect Ubuntu wins... Tongue

You seem to have misunderstood.

I knew'd you say that.   I understand what you meant, but since I know you don't change your mind on things or listen, I didn't reply on that part...thus I'd say you're the one who actually misunderstood, but then that's because of what I left out But anyways, money is the real thing...

Yep, hardware related BSoD's are really annoying...  

I don't find a reason to own a mac, but one of the good things of mac is it's programs...some of them are nice. Mostly the ones related to editing stuff.

[-Archmage-]

Quote from: -Archmage- on April 04, 2011, 20:34:57
Besides Windows costs as much as Ubuntu, if you want it too.  Tongue
But it usually about the real cost...money. And in that aspect Ubuntu wins... Tongue

You seem to have misunderstood.

I knew'd you say that.  I understand what you meant, but since I know you don't change your mind on things or listen, I didn't reply on that part...thus I'd say you're the one who actually misunderstood, but then that's because of what I left out But anyways, money is the real thing...

Yep, hardware related BSoD's are really annoying... 

I don't find a reason to own a mac, but one of the good things of mac is it's programs...some of them are nice. Mostly the ones related to editing stuff.

If you understood you wouldn't say money is a problem.

[ultifd]

I'm saying it because it's the real problem to me... I believe it's a problem.
I'm the one that doesn't understand?

[-Archmage-]

I'm saying it because it's the real problem to me... I believe it's a problem.
I'm the one that doesn't understand?

And why is it a problem?

[will]

Being a coder, I perhaps understand enough about how the various OSes are put together to make my perspective and values diverge from the usual consumer base.  But with that in mind:

I have work laptops with Vista installed.  At some point - likely at my next laptop issue - I will get Windows 7.  This is a company policy and nothing I can influence.

So the first thing I do is put Ubuntu dual-boot on them, and then I use Ubuntu almost exclusively.  I really get agitated when I have to boot into Vista again to use some silly company web-app that requires IE6 or whatever.

Ubuntu is not zero-effort, but neither is Windows in my experience.

Writing performance-critical code, and benchmarking that code on both Vista and Ubuntu, I can say that performance-wise Windows is a tax.  My OpenGL stuff - I'm now in the shaders realm - is regularly 5 or 10fps better on Linux.

It might be true that Direct3D is better supported, but if the OpenGL stack is working, my programs run basically twice as fast on the OpenGL stack than the same sane equivilent Direct3D stack, and I recall other programmers saying the same.