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« Reply #25 on: 1 August 2010, 23:27:19 »
Technically people should be separated by intelligence. I hate having to sit next to an idiot who keeps copying my tests and thinks he's better than everybody at everything. Also I say I probably would study better sitting next to a CALM girl cause that way I wouldn't talk in class

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« Reply #26 on: 1 August 2010, 23:28:37 »
Maybe, but that is a technicality...
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« Reply #27 on: 2 August 2010, 10:35:40 »
Pheonixs idea is great, but we kind of already do it, when we are done with primary school, (10 years) then we start with a higher level of school were your stast from primary schools matter, so you are separated from the retards and idiots.

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« Reply #28 on: 9 August 2010, 02:21:18 »
Males are proven to be superior at spatial thinking.  Girls are better at reading.  Most of our curriculum is geared towards readers, in the public school systems present in America.  Until recently, because of the fact that fewer teachers were female and taboos, not to mention other pressures and difficulties, girls have struggled in class more often than now.  Girls are proven to achieve higher results when taught under knowledgeable, independent and self confident females, not males.  The question is not a matter of coed or non-coed.  Schools need to learn to gear their teaching toward males.  Some examples include keeping boys active in the classroom.  This is exacerbated by the fact that boys do not necessarily mature until college age - 18- and almost always fail to fully mature until age 24-27.  Boys are simply not as fast at maturing.  It is a fact. 

In summary, I do not support coed schools that are publicly funded, because that puts the male nerd in a quandary.  In such systems, especially when bullying and peer pressure are documented, the nerds do worse than they were projected in the other systems.  Classes should be separated by either intelligence (mental age), or proficiency in the subject, or some combo.

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http://www.visual-learners.com/support-files/boys_vs_girls.pdf
http://www.csse.ca/CJE/Articles/FullText/CJE30-2/CJE30-2-White.pdf
http://www.singlesexschools.org/evidence.html
http://www.education.com/reference/article/Ref_Boys_Girls/

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« Reply #29 on: 9 August 2010, 13:54:52 »
some parents might get angry if their child gets in the lower int. class... :|

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« Reply #30 on: 9 August 2010, 14:18:37 »
TOO BAD!!  I do not think that a parent who otherwise does not give a damn about their students performance should be able to subject teachers, other students and their child to the learning impediments that child would face and cause.

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« Reply #31 on: 9 August 2010, 23:04:20 »
Well, I don't agree with separating kids based on their intelligence, nor their gender. I say keep them together. As for homeschool, I have nothing against it, though I don't think it would be any better than a public school, since parents aren't trained teachers, and don't necessarily know these things as well (not saying yours don't, but most people who ask their parents to explain quadratic functions will probably find that they can't remember) and don't have the resources that teachers have.

As for boys vs girls, I don't think either are necessarily better. Looking at my school, there's about an equal number of boys and girls who are very smart or very not-so-smart. Its all in the individual. I don't think gender has anything to do with how smart you will be.
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« Reply #32 on: 10 August 2010, 03:13:07 »
I think a major problem is not in gender separation but in IQ separation, my mom, who lived in communist Czechoslovakia ti'll the fall of communism there, said that after middle school there was big testing to see who would get to highschool, about 50% failed to get in but they went on to immediately learn a trade such as gardeners, factory workers becoming productive members of society instead of rotting in highschool for years, the rest of the people went on and eventually if they got accepted went to college.

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« Reply #33 on: 10 August 2010, 03:22:50 »
Well, I don't agree with separating kids based on their intelligence, nor their gender. I say keep them together. As for homeschool, I have nothing against it, though I don't think it would be any better than a public school, since parents aren't trained teachers, and don't necessarily know these things as well (not saying yours don't, but most people who ask their parents to explain quadratic functions will probably find that they can't remember) and don't have the resources that teachers have.
Yeah, I agree.
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As for boys vs girls, I don't think either are necessarily better. Looking at my school, there's about an equal number of boys and girls who are very smart or very not-so-smart. Its all in the individual. I don't think gender has anything to do with how smart you will be.
Yes, it really depends on the person...themselves...people I guess :P

I think a major problem is not in gender separation but in IQ separation, my mom, who lived in communist Czechoslovakia ti'll the fall of communism there, said that after middle school there was big testing to see who would get to highschool, about 50% failed to get in but they went on to immediately learn a trade such as gardeners, factory workers becoming productive members of society instead of rotting in highschool for years, the rest of the people went on and eventually if they got accepted went to college.
Hmm, never really heard of that...Or maybe just the term "IQ Separation".
Well, do you know if things are different now? I know that schooling has changed "a bit" from before.  :|
Prices, sizes, subjects, etc. and I guess it keeps changing too, for the better or the worse. Now too bad some countries or states don't have good funding...still better then other education, but kinda bad.

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« Reply #34 on: 13 August 2010, 15:34:40 »
I think a major problem is not in gender separation but in IQ separation, my mom, who lived in communist Czechoslovakia ti'll the fall of communism there, said that after middle school there was big testing to see who would get to highschool, about 50% failed to get in but they went on to immediately learn a trade such as gardeners, factory workers becoming productive members of society instead of rotting in highschool for years, the rest of the people went on and eventually if they got accepted went to college.
No.  IQ separation as thus is illegal in almost all modern western states, including America.  That is definitely not what I mean.  Also, I don't have sources to cite, but I did see an article in a magazine (it was either TIME, NAT GEO, or that political one that comes semi-weekly) that showed that underachieving children do poorly in classrooms where they are forced to be compared to the smart ones, or what the teacher thinks is acceptable.  These children improved once this negative influence (the smarter kids) was minimized or removed.  Children learn best when they are with people they can associate with; that is why IQ separation is fine with me. 

As for homeschool, I have nothing against it, though I don't think it would be any better than a public school, since parents aren't trained teachers, and don't necessarily know these things as well (not saying yours don't, but most people who ask their parents to explain quadratic functions will probably find that they can't remember) and don't have the resources that teachers have.
I agree.  Homeschooling can have highly negative effects.  For example, my cousin is homeschooled, and I had to debate with him to get him to understand that the earth is 4.5 billion years old, not 3 million, which was what he thought.  I don't know where he got that number, but he is older than me and I know I learned that number and more in September of 6th grade.  Most teachers are, however, able to get their kids to pass the standard tests that they have to take, given the recent standards lowering in the schools.  For example, I don't know how well homeschooled people do, but kids in my class can get a grade of 65% and pass.  That means that they got only 2/3 of the test problems right.

As for boys vs girls, I don't think either are necessarily better. Looking at my school, there's about an equal number of boys and girls who are very smart or very not-so-smart. Its all in the individual. I don't think gender has anything to do with how smart you will be.
No.  It is not like that.  Look at my sources and you will see what I meant.  Girls are not necessarily more IQ smart, but they are able to learn better in many curricula in America at least, because of the heavy reliance on textbook learning.  I know that some european countries and canada have some schools which are experimenting with better methods.  In America, girls do better in school, and if the test scores don't show, you should see how easily they soak up the reading.  I pride myself as a good reader, and a 99% student, but I know kids who have to work really hard.  Girls are typically held back by the old stereotype that they are stupid, unable to learn, et cetera.  This is loosening in everywhere but the middle east, and in that region it is loosening somewhat. 

In my opinion, if I could afford it once I get older, I would have my kids all tutored.  That is, in my opinion, the best way because it is personal, engaging and the tutors are able to gauge the level of their pupils achievement, detect weak areas, and keep the attitude positive.  Then, of course I would send them to some great school out east, or even oxford if they are good enough.

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« Reply #35 on: 13 August 2010, 20:04:59 »
but kids in my class can get a grade of 65% and pass.  That means that they got only 2/3 of the test problems right.
Hmph, passing grades in my school is only 50%... And even worse, there are some people who actually barely pass through that! I've seen math tests where some people end up at 25% or so...

Personally, I don't think that's acceptable. The only way I see someone could have such a low mark is if they don't even try to learn...
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« Reply #36 on: 14 August 2010, 02:30:31 »
I know that I will have worse grades once I get to High School, but never close to 50%.  I know kids who have failed classes.  All boys.  All failing Reading class.

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« Reply #37 on: 14 August 2010, 02:47:52 »
I pass with 85's as the lowest score I've gotten this year to 100's

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« Reply #38 on: 14 August 2010, 15:14:04 »
Usually, I get an extra credit opportunity once a quarter in each class, so for most of the year my best subjects had grades like 101% and 109%.  I once got 160% on a quiz because I aced the extra credit questions.  (It was science, which has extra credit questions more often.  I liked my science teacher a lot.)  My best grades were probably in Social Studies, i.e. History, even I think the teacher was a moron.  She had trouble pronouncing names of places, especially when they were from the Greek or Spanish.  Also, she frequently misspoke and made typos and associative reasoning errors.  I ended up writing the correct pronunciation of cities and people at the tops of quizzes.

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« Reply #39 on: 14 August 2010, 15:23:07 »
lol how'd you get a 160 on my tests if your lucky enough to get extra credit you can get 110 tops(thats what I got a couple of times) and no matter how good you do on extra credit they never give you a score over 100 in report cards :(
by the way I knew more about history then my teacher on several occasions.

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« Reply #40 on: 14 August 2010, 15:57:47 »
lol how'd you get a 160 on my tests if your lucky enough to get extra credit you can get 110 tops(thats what I got a couple of times) and no matter how good you do on extra credit they never give you a score over 100 in report cards :(
Like I said, my science teacher was awesome.

by the way I knew more about history then my teacher on several occasions.
Yeah, we also watched a 5-10 minute news program every day (CNN student news with Carl Azuz) and I generally knew more about the current events than she did, or the rest of the class for that matter.  I really disliked its news choices, because when 140 people were killed in a police-orchestrated event in Guinea, Africa, the news program spent about 4 minutes discussing some f****** donuts, not the actual news.

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« Reply #41 on: 15 August 2010, 01:49:07 »
Usually, I get an extra credit opportunity once a quarter in each class, so for most of the year my best subjects had grades like 101% and 109%.  I once got 160% on a quiz because I aced the extra credit questions.  (It was science, which has extra credit questions more often.  I liked my science teacher a lot.)  My best grades were probably in Social Studies, i.e. History, even I think the teacher was a moron.  She had trouble pronouncing names of places, especially when they were from the Greek or Spanish.  Also, she frequently misspoke and made typos and associative reasoning errors.  I ended up writing the correct pronunciation of cities and people at the tops of quizzes.
I must admit, 160 is pretty darn extreme! The highest possible mark I've ever seen to date is 120, from a social test, in which I scored a 114, the highest in the class. Of course, that's because social is basically history + current events + politics, economy, etc; all in one, and is my favorite subject. The only tests I saw bonus marks on this last year were Math (only a few tests had a bonus question or two), Science (bonus marks for writing textbook definitions ;)), and Social (sometimes bonus questions, though one was a simple T + F thing where you got bonuses if you rewrote the False ones to make them true).

I used to watch the news, but for reasons like yours, I now just use live bookmarks on firefox to keep track of the RSS feeds of CNN and CBC. I just saw too many stories about things I could care less about, and prefer to choose my own headlines, just like reading a paper (but neater, and the nearby XKCD bookmark gives way better comics :O).
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