Glest Developer

[Psychedelic_hands]

Is using their code illegal? or just giving and sharing?

[GlestNetwork]

I'm using their code, and no it's not illegal because I Work for them.

[John.d.h]

I'm using their code, and no it's not illegal because I Work for them.

Err... you sure about that?  Did you actually get permission to use it?

[Gabbe]

Can i see what part of your contract that says that? WHen can i stgart work for them and illegal mass distribute thru torrent?

[Trappin]

Sorry to pile-on here:

gabbe Ye, so whens the source code up?
Idk, the next 5 versions maybe or maybe when I stop making glest developer?
@Gabbe I don't know what you mean by "based it on" so I'll just tell you what I think
I based it on my own coding
I'm using their code.
I choose to decline that offer... for now.

And now you reveal that the source code is proprietary? So, you really can't release the source but have baited folks by claiming that the source may be released at a future date. Wow!

gabbe WHen you`ll have a working version, and I`ll support your web when you've released something  so unless someone else wants to donate before they've gotten the product, then you might wanna spend your own cash on the website.
lol thanks. I dont got any money
Can somebody support this project? It needs a website to be hosted up. Donate by my signature!
Darn, I need like $2 and that's it

I work for T.A.P Company

You work for a company but don't have 2 dollars/euros/rubles/yen to pay for a code hosting service? Honesty and transparency are not proprietary features in the game of life - stop bullshitting us - my gawd.. lmao

[Gabbe]

I belives he only want money, and all he do is photoshopping images of "progress"...

[John.d.h]

Yeah... this is getting really suspicious.

[Yggdrasil]

Yep, i also have the feeling he's justing making all of this up. He uses sourceforge but doesn't want to release the source code. It's only free for open source software, closed-source projects have to pay. And some other statements from him doesn't look like he's a developer, maybe a bloody beginner but definitely not working for a company.

So, release code or it didn't happen.

[GlestNetwork]

Yes, I don't have money because I work for free because it's fun. I've come to like what I do. I only said that I might release the source code in the future because I don't want you guys to feel all down - sorry if I lied.

I am not a beginner coder just to let you guys know. Really, I'm trying to help you guys out and why do I only want to have money if I'm doing this FOR FUN? I'm just asking you guys to donate if you WANT TO.

It's not even a publish company too. It's not a contract, more like a vow to devote.

[Gabbe]

publish a vid of you running the program.

[GlestNetwork]

I told you, that's what I've been working on! The video.. and plus, why would you think that I photoshopped those images? That's a really dumb answer because how do I get all of those images myself and make everything seem so real? If you think like that, then, I think you're totally lost in the world of photoshopping and coding and taking screeenshots.

Plus, I think that you're only wanting the source.

[silnarm]

I am not a beginner coder just to let you guys know.

If you are a 'coder' at all, you are very much a beginner.

...and plus, why would you think that I photoshopped those images?...

Because he has no development experience himself.  I on the other hand am fully aware that you didn't photoshop it, the winforms designer is not at all hard to use. The question is, is there actually any code behind it??  I suspect not.

[John.d.h]

Okay, let's see if this makes sense...

You supposedly work for a company, but they're not paying you.  That makes you a voluntary contributor at best.  Although you're not actually an employee, the company allows you to use their code for a program you're going to release to the public without paying.  Although you can use their code, you can't actually release it to anyone.  You don't need any money to develop this program, but you're panhandling.

I'm counting at least five red flags right there.
There are certain things I don't want in my food (MSG, meat, HFCS, mercury).  By the same token, there are certain things I don't want in software (spyware, DRM, key loggers).  A refusal to show source code is just as suspicious as a can of soup that refuses to list its ingredients, especially coming from a shady vendor who I have absolutely no reason to trust.  What don't they/you want me to know about their/your product?  What's in it that they/you are trying to hide?

[GlestNetwork]

Well, sorry if I'm not clear. The main thing is, do you want to use the program or not? I will not release the source though. It's up to you guys - plus, it's a free service, and let's not go to serious questions here. I'll make you confused because I'm not good at making things clear.

[John.d.h]

The main thing is, do you want to use the program or not?

Unless you provide us a reason to trust you, Hell no.

It's up to you guys - plus, it's a free service, and let's not go to serious questions here.

Most viruses are free, too.  For something that could potentially damage our systems and steal our passwords and bank account information, serious questions are warranted.  I'm not drinking your Kool-Aid unless I know it's not poisoned.

[Psychedelic_hands]

Things do seem pretty sus here......

But in case you don't have any bad-intentions; I'm really sorry, and I do feel really bad for you 

[GlestNetwork]

Well, I'm sorry you think that I will actually attempt to hack you guys. I thought you knew better.

In addition, suspicion is everywhere, am I right? At your house, outside... No need to say "It's suspicious" if everywhere we go, it's suspicious.

@Psychedelic_hands Thanks, but I feel sad for myself to think they actually trusted me and would co-operate with me. Wasn't that what Glest was for? Co-operation to expand?

[ultifd]

I don't think you're trying to "hack us"...but I'm still thinking about the source code and release.
Anyways, don't lie anymore and keep developing your app and provide a release as soon as possible... That's probably the best solution for you...not to "fix everyone", but at least some of your "problems" would go away...

[GlestNetwork]

Well, the thing is, I don't know how I can if most of everyone thinks that it's a fake and that I photoshopped my "progress"... like really? Why would I go through this much fuss then?

[ultifd]

Not everyone...
Well, that's why you provide a release to prove that your app isn't fake and etc...you can't change their mind by trying to back up your statements or claims...
Also, their negative insight on this is partially because you lied/made up something... (Don't do that again)
So try providing an alpha or something...soon. Or else, probably your work will, unfortunately, be for nothing... :/

[GlestNetwork]

I'm done with what you guys are saying and posting. I wanted to help, but this was what I get in return:

I belives he only want money, and all he do is photoshopping images of "progress"...

Yep, i also have the feeling he's justing making all of this up. He uses sourceforge but doesn't want to release the source code. It's only free for open source software, closed-source projects have to pay. And some other statements from him doesn't look like he's a developer, maybe a bloody beginner but definitely not working for a company.

So, release code or it didn't happen.

I am not a beginner coder just to let you guys know.

If you are a 'coder' at all, you are very much a beginner.

...and plus, why would you think that I photoshopped those images?...

Because he has no development experience himself.  I on the other hand am fully aware that you didn't photoshop it, the winforms designer is not at all hard to use. The question is, is there actually any code behind it??  I suspect not.

Okay, let's see if this makes sense...

You supposedly work for a company, but they're not paying you.  That makes you a voluntary contributor at best.  Although you're not actually an employee, the company allows you to use their code for a program you're going to release to the public without paying.  Although you can use their code, you can't actually release it to anyone.  You don't need any money to develop this program, but you're panhandling.

I'm counting at least five red flags right there.
There are certain things I don't want in my food (MSG, meat, HFCS, mercury).  By the same token, there are certain things I don't want in software (spyware, DRM, key loggers).  A refusal to show source code is just as suspicious as a can of soup that refuses to list its ingredients, especially coming from a shady vendor who I have absolutely no reason to trust.  What don't they/you want me to know about their/your product?  What's in it that they/you are trying to hide?

The main thing is, do you want to use the program or not?

Unless you provide us a reason to trust you, Hell no.

It's up to you guys - plus, it's a free service, and let's not go to serious questions here.

Most viruses are free, too.  For something that could potentially damage our systems and steal our passwords and bank account information, serious questions are warranted.  I'm not drinking your Kool-Aid unless I know it's not poisoned.

BTW, Thanks for Ultifd for keeping my hopes on this project.

[Little Helper]

Please no questions why I am back from my idleness from Glest. Any questions please send me a message.

     To everyone who had false doubts against Glest Network. I have to utter but why the criticisms of his work? As far as I am concerned he is only explaining his concepts and updating everyone the; Glest community, on his progress. We shouldn't take his contributions and or his offerings for granted (Not saying you guys are). Wether he is going to make a website or have needless features its his choice for helping others or rather making it easier for all Glest Developers. He is simply providing everyone a resource. Maybe you don't need this tool but other might. And to make a standing I would aboslutely use this. I know Glest is an open-source game, I'm pretty much sure most of you want to learn and use as a glest a resource as a tool to help or guide you to learn or understand the fundamentals of learning how to code or just for the heck of it. However its his decision to give away his source. I am pretty much sure he would but as he mentioned its private, needless to say it is still his decision. I do undestand that perhaps some of guys thinks he is practicing malicious activities, but its unrealistic to say so without any "real" evidence. Just because he post screenshots doesn't mean he is photoshopping. Don't judge before hand. Does it really matter if he is a beginner or experienced coder, but its his contributions. Its only natural that we all start small? Maybe he is even using Glest and this project as his tool to learning. And lastly, @Yggdrasil calling him "Bloody" won't get things anywhere. "Bloody" means the same thing as the "F" word in England, and Glest's community is filled with all sorts of people from different side of the world, so he might of not known..so I just wanted point that out.
 
-Little Helper
P.S I reply slow.   and Hi everyone.  

[John.d.h]

All we needed is a reason to trust you.  You provided us with none.

If you want to take your ball and go home, then that's your prerogative.  Try not to let the door hit you on your way out.

[GlestNetwork]

This is not reasonable. John has shouldn't close down the topic without an explainable and acceptable reason. Plus, I never said I would stop working on Glest Developer did I? All I said was, just stop the negativity - rephrased. Plus, I never gave you a reason why you shouldn't trust me. That doesn't mean you close down the topic. You don't know when I'll give you a reason but I know that it took Albert Einstein a while until he got that bulb working. Guests/New go on here all the time, and you don't even know them. I don't see you going up to them and saying what you said to me.

I demand that you lift the closed topic as a moderator of Glest, you have to be reasonable about things.

[ultifd]

:/ ...Well GN, next time don't make something up or lie, as bad things always happen after people do... But you probably realized that.
Anyways, the best thing to do now is release something soon, to prove some things and maybe gain people's trust back (or at least partially). Good Luck.
This was what I was going to post...
@Little Helper
Welcome back...again?  

making it easier for all Glest Developers.

Well, not the actual Developers... I'm pretty sure they wouldn't need this...For others, sure.

@Yggdrasil calling him "bloody" won't get things anywhere.

Well, of course, but that's because Glest Network lied...but I think GN learned his lesson about that, at least.

I'm done with what you guys are saying and posting. I wanted to help, but this was what I get in return:

I am not a beginner coder just to let you guys know.

If you are a 'coder' at all, you are very much a beginner.

...and plus, why would you think that I photoshopped those images?...

Because he has no development experience himself.  I on the other hand am fully aware that you didn't photoshop it, the winforms designer is not at all hard to use. The question is, is there actually any code behind it??  I suspect not.

Well for this post GN, I'm pretty it sure it is all right... Coders are always beginners because they can usually learn more...coding, I guess. etc... (I remember someone told me that it takes around 20 years to actually be not a "beginner" anymore, or something like that.)