Japanese Faction mod [WIP] V0.89a released! (9 December 2011)

[ultifd]

yep,I'll rush to making next release!

Heh, no need. Just know that we'll be very happy when you do.

and when you said "minature cannon",I felt a bit funny about this.
coz Japanese had actually "minature cannon" type firearms,called "大筒(Oodutsu,large pipe)".
Maybe I might better to made these cannons instead of european style cannon. 

Wow.
Well, maybe.

[John.d.h]

yep,I'll rush to making next release!

When you release, remind me to sticky it for a week and I will.

[Hagekura]

Ok,thank you john.

[-Archmage-]

guns are FAR more lethal than arrows

Not true.

Maybe I might better to made these cannons instead of european style cannon. No Opinion

Awesome!

[Hagekura]

guns are FAR more lethal than arrows

Not true.

In some ways,both opinions are correct.
Of course Guns were deadly,but arquebuses used at that time was still immature and had many drawbacks - like slow reloading time,and vulnerable to moisture - .Japanese composite longbows had enough power to penetrate metal plates.before guns were appear,arrows were the most deadly weapon of sengoku-era battlefield.though using the arrow to purpose required hard trainings,on the other hand,guns did not require such trainings so could arm peasants with the weapon and bring them in mass in the battlefield.but due to many drawbacks the arquebuses had,arrows were still used　alongside the guns after a introduce of guns.

Maybe I might better to made these cannons instead of european style cannon. No Opinion

Awesome!

ah,I don't sure I really make those little cannons,for we already have a cannon.maybe in future,I might make them,maybe...

[the warlord of the reich]

cooooooooool i have been always a fan of te japanese history. mainly the civil war period. my favourite clan is the useugi clan. whats your favourite clan???

awesome mod 

[Hagekura]

cooooooooool i have been always a fan of te japanese history. mainly the civil war period. my favourite clan is the useugi clan. whats your favourite clan???

awesome mod 

Thank you!
wow Uesugi clan!they are great.especially 不識庵謙信 is.毘
for Clan,I like "Shimazu" and "Date" clan!
Date's gunner cavalry are cool.I want to make them in this mod.
but for the person,I like "Akechi Mitsuhide",I use his portrait for I respect him.

[Zoythrus]

cooooooooool i have been always a fan of te japanese history. mainly the civil war period. my favourite clan is the useugi clan. whats your favourite clan???

awesome mod 

Thank you!
wow Uesugi clan!they are great.especially 不識庵謙信 is.毘
for Clan,I like "Shimazu" and "Date" clan!
Date's gunner cavalry are cool.I want to make them in this mod.
but for the person,I like "Akechi Mitsuhide",I use his portrait for I respect him.

i really need to study up on my Feudal Japan....because i didnt understand this at all....

[the warlord of the reich]

shimazu was a large network fief for blacksmithes. they had guns, lotsa guns. lol. date was epic storyline of incidents, theywere feared by their rivals. i somewhat dont remember who crushed tem... they also had the famous leader masemune!

i love useugi because they had the legendary leader kenshin a truely honorable leader. otomo is i like too. it was taking care of foriegn businass more then sticking with feudal and war stuff. if i am not wrong (lol)

oda was so awesome. he got assasnited in his golden age. by his probably the most trusted officar.

failure for the oda clan. they were gonna do it and unify japan with much less fire.

also that oda is much of a strange leader (one of the kind) they say he was a stupid, foolish, sucidel commander. but he proved his true worth in the battle of okehazama. In 1560, Imagawa Yoshimoto gathered an army of 25,000 men and started marching towards kyoto. their death march was halted in road for a small party. oda nobunaga set up a very small army and crashed the party with his few cavalry and infantry slaughtering lots of drunk enemies and fleeieng infantry. and killed their leader. what an amazing victory!

nice mod. are you going to make heroes?
please do.

[Mark]

guns are FAR more lethal than arrows

Not true.

It depends on what you mean by lethal.  A 7.5 foot longbow would have compared well with the arquebus, but arquebusiers could be fully trained in less than a month.  A longbow required several years.  The longbow also shot more quickly.  The longbowman should deal more damage and attack quickly, but should train slowly.  The arquebusier should be almost instantaneous, sort of a swarm unit. 

Just a note, samurai would not have won any battles in europe-the arquebus was already 200 year old history there!

[the warlord of the reich]

exellent. most clever mark. as the lords could train their gunners in few months. but the quality of weapons are low... though they were able to quickly recruit and train soldiers in fast rates while an archer of any sort will require the experience of a lifetime. arrows are slightly more qualafied for killing. but very slow to skill. and the longbow is even harder i think!

[Hagekura]

i really need to study up on my Feudal Japan....because i didnt understand this at all....

Don't mind friend,you don't have to study about feudal japan to enjoy the mod.but If you do,I promise,you could more enjoy my mod!

shimazu was a large network fief for blacksmithes. they had guns, lotsa guns. lol. date was epic storyline of incidents, theywere feared by their rivals. i somewhat dont remember who crushed tem... they also had the famous leader masemune!

i love useugi because they had the legendary leader kenshin a truely honorable leader. otomo is i like too. it was taking care of foriegn businass more then sticking with feudal and war stuff. if i am not wrong (lol)

oda was so awesome. he got assasnited in his golden age. by his probably the most trusted officar.

failure for the oda clan. they were gonna do it and unify japan with much less fire.

also that oda is much of a strange leader (one of the kind) they say he was a stupid, foolish, sucidel commander. but he proved his true worth in the battle of okehazama. In 1560, Imagawa Yoshimoto gathered an army of 25,000 men and started marching towards kyoto. their death march was halted in road for a small party. oda nobunaga set up a very small army and crashed the party with his few cavalry and infantry slaughtering lots of drunk enemies and fleeieng infantry. and killed their leader. what an amazing victory!

nice mod. are you going to make heroes?
please do.

Wow awesome.you understand the history of sengoku quite correctly.
Surely Oda Nobunaga was a supreme leader,but he was also a　ruthless tylant.
He burned　venerable　buddhist sanctuary Mount Hiei coz Mount Hiei saved Oda's enemy soldiers.
thousands of Priests,monks,women and children genocided by the Siege.
His cruelty also displayed on the war against Ikko-ikki sect.
He exterminated Ikki peasants of the sect.maybe his cruel　humanity led his tragic death at the Honnō-ji.

about hero units,for the time being,I am not planning introduce hero untis in my mod,and I don't know whether is it possible to create hero units in glest or not.(maybe GAE allows them?)

Just a note, samurai would not have won any battles in europe-the arquebus was already 200 year old history there!

I know the european used firearms hundreds years faster than japanese(like primitive handguns hussite used).
but Invention of arquebus type match-lock musket in Europe was at late 15th,as far as my memory is correct,and arquebus first brought into japan in 1543 by accidentaly landed Portuguese.there isn't so much time delay between them.and maybe Japanese tactics of combination of Mass use of musketeer and pikemen at the sengoku-period could compete the european tercio style tactics at that time.
but you know,these assumptions are completely meaningless in the history.  

[the warlord of the reich]

oda nobunaga was cruel??!! never had an idea of him such a mean fellow. i think that's why there was a revolt on him at the honganji with his best follower leading it. how could he stand up to the entire confedrancy and coalation of the other clans? truely amazing!

siege of osaka was enormous right? and battle of sekihara and okehazama. it was a big war (bigger with the sucidel samuria followers of bushido lol no offense)

[Zoythrus]

dont get me wrong, i love history, but would it be ok with you guys if we got back on topic?

so, tell me more about the Buddhist Monk unit that you have planned?

[the warlord of the reich]

coooooooooooooooll theres buddhist monks? this mod is gonna be awesom.

 

keep up the good work mate

[Gabbe]

well yeah, BUT THE MOD IS AWESOMELY ENOUGH ALREADY OUT!

[the warlord of the reich]

OUT? SAYS 70% IS DONE! WHERE CAN I DOWNLOAD THIS?

YAY YAY YAY COOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Gabbe]

http://www.filefront.com/17481999/JapaneseV0.73a_20111106.7z/

and the extractor

http://www.7-zip.org/download.html

[Hagekura]

oda nobunaga was cruel??!! never had an idea of him such a mean fellow. i think that's why there was a revolt on him at the honganji with his best follower leading it. how could he stand up to the entire confedrancy and coalation of the other clans? truely amazing!

siege of osaka was enormous right? and battle of sekihara and okehazama. it was a big war (bigger with the sucidel samuria followers of bushido lol no offense)

Yeah general impression of japanese for nobunaga is that he was a strong,genius,fearsome,difficult person.
maybe his cruelty was necessary as the ruler of the disorder time-period.
there is a Japanese poem which sang each personality of the three Tenkaninns(nobunaga,hideyoshi,ieyasu).

"If a Cuckoo doesn't willing to crow,kill it" - nobunaga.
"If a Cuckoo doesn't willing to crow,I'll make him crow" - hideyoshi.
"If a Cuckoo doesn't willing to crow,I'll wait till he crows" - ieyasu.

Even If nobunaga was a cruel person,he is still a one of the most popular hero of japanese.
I'm sorry for I misspelled place where nobunaga died in my last post,he died at the Honno-ji,not Honganji. (these two spells are confusing even for japanese).

Siege of the osaka castle(it was fought twice in 1614-winter and 1615-summer)was enormous and the last battle of sengoku-period.many cannons are used at the battle.battle of sekigahara(1600) was the most biggest battle in japanese history.it was Decisive battle for tokugawa victory.okehazama(1560) was a small blitz raid if compared with previous two battles.

dont get me wrong, i love history, but would it be ok with you guys if we got back on topic?

so, tell me more about the Buddhist Monk unit that you have planned?

oh sorry,I just be too enthusiastic for telling sengoku history.

Buddhist priest will be a healer-unit.

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well yeah, BUT THE MOD IS AWESOMELY ENOUGH ALREADY OUT!

Thank you! btw you changed your icon? I liked the previous one.

[the warlord of the reich]

osaka was realy big. i dont think as sekigahara (east VS west) it was- if not mistaken a gorila battle right?

blitz raid? it was an ambush my sources say.

cool poem. sounds epic. honestly. this is realy funny and shows the facts of those 3 genrels.

honnoji? i will belive you. hoping you might be not in the confused party

big raid of honnoji. i heard a tower fell over there (in the midst of fighting) those samurias and ashigaru and warrior monks and other warriors were surley realy going at it lol

nothing like an old fashioned cannon manned by samuria shooting it at some scared ashigaru who never heard of something called firearms. i realy want to see a scene or a story like that

that nobunaga had it too much of selfishness and hatrdand cruelty. he dident think of the Consequence. pwned at his rest place with his retainers. perhaps mitsuhide killed him with his own hands from the anger and gore violance? or a gun. a katana. a yari. most likley a sword (wakizachi is in my mind when i had this thaught) oda will most likley accept mitsuhide killing him in a honorable death! cuts head of nobunaga and runs away is most likley to go.

i'd like to see castle maps. can you build walls in this mod? i'd LOVE an osaka battlemap or a kessen battle.

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is dimyos avilable? have you got your answers yet?
if so. is there gonna be heroes? if there is. then PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ MAKE US A SHIBATA KATSIUE PLEEEEEEEEAAAZE!!!!!!

osaka was the last battle (?) i think there was 2 fights or 3 after it...
it was pretty much a last stand. siege of osaka was the finals. evrey thing was shut after it.

regulary there would be lots of fire arms in osaka siege. it was a very late period and the foriegen merchants and traders and invetions were all across. also. in that time. the genrels and leaders and retainers would relize that the clan fanaticism and hugging the japanese old tredetions and dumping foriegns would be awfuly bad. they opened another path to even bigger glory with europeans. it was struggling to catch up with the european countries. AND advancment. just like any leader would. or country, government, people. (nazi empire for example)
the germans dumped nazism because it what were thaught to glorify and great their country. it only brough bad and crazy killing and blood death! so now the government made big propoganda to leave this nazi crap.
there is ecen signs over walls saying "thank you for dumping nazi" and the drawing of some kind of human throwing a swastika into a trash cane.

cheers. i hope i dident made any offense here. if i did. am realy sorry.

[wyvern]

I got an idea, what if you could recruit one hero commander such as Nobunaga and with him you would be able to unlock some specific upgrades or units, for example improved ninjas better samurai,or great fire arms. I'm also a history lover but am not so good with japanese history so I have learned a lot from this topic , great faction, I really like it.

[titi]

I played this a lot now and its really fun!
I think the arquebuser is a bit too strong. Once you can produce it you start massproducing those guys and you win every game! I don't really have an idea how to solve it, but this fact kills the fun after a while. You start to stop producing cannons and those things just hunting for the arquebuser.

[Zoythrus]

I played this a lot now and its really fun!
I think the arquebuser is a bit too strong. Once you can produce it you start massproducing those guys and you win every game! I don't really have an idea how to solve it, but this fact kills the fun after a while. You start to stop producing cannons and those things just hunting for the arquebuser.

that's why i had the idea that the archers should do really well against buildings, but the arques would do virtually nothing (for realism of course).

[the warlord of the reich]

yeah how could guns and muskets drop down a building (dojo for example)

they would start shooting the walls. decorating it with musket balls and holes and blackpowder.

an archer would put his arrow at fires and shoot an arrow and leave the building for collapsing. very realestic.

cheers.

[Gabbe]

or just a suicide bomber, kamikaze?