Choose your Favorite: MegaGlest or Glest Advanced Engine

[ultifd]

Hmm...another reason that I like to use MG, is that it's easier for me to see the units' information. It's not that I'm not used to the UI, but rather , I think, I waste a good amount of time when I need to hover for armor or move speed information. So basically, when testing mods a key essential is to look at the units' information. Armor, move speed, etc. Hovering just wastes time...but I suppose the UI will be improved before the next release comes out; although if I still have to hover that technically isn't really an improvement. I guess the other thing is that you can see your opponents' stats too...mainly for armor. Some people may call it cheating, but it isn't really cheating unless you're a newbie.

Mydata VS Addons
Basically I guess you could say addons does win...although I usually edit my external mods... I suppose if this was somehow "fixed" and an addon manager was implemented, it would obviously be better.

[Omega]

Hmm...another reason that I like to use MG, is that it's easier for me to see the units' information. It's not that I'm not used to the UI, but rather , I think, I waste a good amount of time when I need to hover for armor or move speed information. So basically, when testing mods a key essential is to look at the units' information. Armor, move speed, etc. Hovering just wastes time...but I suppose the UI will be improved before the next release comes out; although if I still have to hover that technically isn't really an improvement. I guess the other thing is that you can see your opponents' stats too...mainly for armor. Some people may call it cheating, but it isn't really cheating unless you're a newbie.

Mydata VS Addons
Basically I guess you could say addons does win...although I usually edit my external mods... I suppose if this was somehow "fixed" and an addon manager was implemented, it would obviously be better.

Addons are far easier for someone who has no tech experience to install though. Hmm...What if you could have uncompressed folders in the same structure (the first folder would replace the archive, so would be ignored) to allow you to edit the mod(s) in particular?

[John.d.h]

What if you could have uncompressed folders in the same structure (the first folder would replace the archive, so would be ignored) to allow you to edit the mod(s) in particular?

You means like addons/name_of_addon/techs/?  If so, that's absolutely already possible.

[Omega]

What if you could have uncompressed folders in the same structure (the first folder would replace the archive, so would be ignored) to allow you to edit the mod(s) in particular?

You means like addons/name_of_addon/techs/?  If so, that's absolutely already possible.

Oh. I stand corrected. Never knew you could do that. In this case, I find Ultifd's addon argument void, as he can still edit the file easily be extracting it to any random folder in the addons folder.

[ultifd]

Oh, really? Cool, I'll try that out...although I don't know about you, but that kinda takes away the purpose of addons then...if people do that, they are using more space than mydata...or equal space I guess. . Or am I wrong there somehow?

[John.d.h]

Oh, really? Cool, I'll try that out...although I don't know about you, but that kinda takes away the purpose of addons then...if people do that, they are using more space than mydata...or equal space I guess. . Or am I wrong there somehow?

That depends.  If it's an entire tech tree, then it should be equal, but if it's modifying an existing tech tree it's a big savings.  Take PG for example.  It's 1.9MB, whereas it would be much larger if you had to copy the whole Magitech folder.

[ultifd]

Oh, really? Cool, I'll try that out...although I don't know about you, but that kinda takes away the purpose of addons then...if people do that, they are using more space than mydata...or equal space I guess. . Or am I wrong there somehow?

That depends.  If it's an entire tech tree, then it should be equal, but if it's modifying an existing tech tree it's a big savings.  Take PG for example.  It's 1.9MB, whereas it would be much larger if you had to copy the whole Magitech folder.

Right. I forgot about addons like that I guess, so yeah it does save a lot of space in that case. For regular techtrees, I guess it isn't any better or worse; which is still good. 

[MJR]

MegaGlest has a better AI than GAE. So if you want to play a 1 player game and be challenge then MegaGlest is the way to go if not you will get board with GAE AI  soon enough.

[-Archmage-]

MegaGlest has a better AI than GAE. So if you want to play a 1 player game and be challenge then MegaGlest is the way to go if not you will get board with GAE AI  soon enough.

I would say that's for the most part wrong. GAE has lots of little AI things like auto-return and auto-repair that make your units a bit less zombie-like and more intelligent. I always found GAE to be a lot more fun to play than MegaGlest. Also GAE's pathfinder has always been way less laggy. Plus GAE has specular and normal mapping as well as per-pixel lighting coming soon. Basically, GAE is smoother gameplay, with better graphics.

[ElimiNator]

Basically, GAE is smoother gameplay, with better graphics.

I am afraid this is purely your opinion.

[Omega]

Basically, GAE is smoother gameplay, with better graphics.

I am afraid this is purely your opinion.

Isn't everything? He doesn't need our opinions, he can try both for himself and see. And of course, the best neutral comparison is as Ultifd pointed out: https://docs.megaglest.org/Engines#Comparison_of_the_Engines

[ultifd]

MegaGlest has a better AI than GAE. So if you want to play a 1 player game and be challenge then MegaGlest is the way to go if not you will get board with GAE AI  soon enough.

I would say that's for the most part wrong. GAE has lots of little AI things like auto-return and auto-repair that make your units a bit less zombie-like and more intelligent. I always found GAE to be a lot more fun to play than MegaGlest. Also GAE's pathfinder has always been way less laggy. Plus GAE has specular and normal mapping as well as per-pixel lighting coming soon. Basically, GAE is smoother gameplay, with better graphics.

Maybe you should actually try megaglest 3.5.1 before talking. You sound like you're talking about the first few versions of it.  If we're talking about that, then you're 100% correct. Gratz.
Anyways, Softcoder has improved the AI a lot, and the pathfinder too. GAE hasn't really tried to improved the AI much, ask the developers. Then there's the default resource multipliers, compare MG's to GAE's. MG=Ultra, 2.0 Mega, 3.0 GAE=Ultra, 3.0  Mega, 5.0 The AI is ultimately much better in MG.
Now graphics wise, of course with the additions of specular and normal mapping, GAE is better that way. Which is awesome. Tileset particles partially make up for that though, sometimes. Just look at Annex. 
Pathfinder-wise, I think MG has improved it a bit. It doesn't cause lag anymore. We did a lot of pathfinder-nodes tests.
Autoreturn and repair is great, but just a feature really.

Basically, GAE is smoother gameplay, with better graphics.

I am afraid this is purely your opinion.

Isn't everything? He doesn't need our opinions, he can try both for himself and see. And of course, the best neutral comparison is as Ultifd pointed out: https://docs.megaglest.org/Engines#Comparison_of_the_Engines

Nope, just some things. The comparison is great for general stuff, though.

[MJR]

The AI in GAE is and only attack from one direction so all you have to do is put up a good defense and you have the battle half won where MegaGlest AI will attack from more than one direction to make game play harder so any of the guard features of GAE stills leave to a easy game where MegaGlest is more difficult to win in my opinion. In fact the makers of GAE even says they done little to enhance the AI logic where they admit MegaGlest has.

[Omega]

The AI in GAE is and only attack from one direction so all you have to do is put up a good defense and you have the battle half won where MegaGlest AI will attack from more than one direction to make game play harder so any of the guard features of GAE stills leave to a easy game where MegaGlest is more difficult to win in my opinion. In fact the makers of GAE even says they done little to enhance the AI logic where they admit MegaGlest has.

For now. First to impliment Lua AI wins the AI battle, forever.

[Ishmaru]

For now. First to impliment Lua AI wins the AI battle, forever.

That's in the future though... Isn't this topic about the Present though??
Anyway wasn't Lua AI was postponed till after the merger?

[Omega]

For now. First to impliment Lua AI wins the AI battle, forever.

That's in the future though... Isn't this topic about the Present though??
Anyway wasn't Lua AI was postponed till after the merger?

I haven't heard anything official, but all major changes are supposed to wait till after the merger. Hasn't even started though, to my knowledge.

[ultifd]

Well if it's not in 0.4 then everybody wins the battle of best AI.   Win-win xD Even better?
In MG the AI has better response to Air units...which is good but bad for air raiders.   It doesn't really make a defense then though, you just now have to be smarter with air units.