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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #100 on: 25 March 2011, 03:56:54 »
Yes, but the eagle warrior uses a Huitzauhqui, do you think it would be ok for him to have the same weapon? Or should I just rename him and not change the weapon?
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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #101 on: 25 March 2011, 04:03:45 »
Do you really need a club fighter and a stick warrior?  I mean, aren't a club and a stick the same thing, along with a warrior and a fighter? :look:

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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #102 on: 25 March 2011, 04:04:37 »
The stick warriors use wooden swords and the club fighter has a large club.
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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #103 on: 25 March 2011, 05:06:42 »
i thought we agreed that the eagle warrior uses an atlatl....

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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #104 on: 25 March 2011, 05:43:58 »
i thought we agreed that the eagle warrior uses an atlatl....
I meant the jaguar warrior.
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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #105 on: 25 March 2011, 05:49:51 »
the jag warrior uses a Macuahuitl, the club guy uses a huitzauhqui. yes, there's a difference.

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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #106 on: 25 March 2011, 15:09:10 »
OK, Ill add spikes to his club, any thing else?
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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #107 on: 25 March 2011, 19:48:24 »
make sure that the "Stick fighter" actually has a wooden sword, not a stick. (that means that can no longer call him a "Stick warrior.")

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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #108 on: 25 March 2011, 23:11:58 »
If it's a wooden sword, you could call it a macana.  It's b

http://www.orinoco.org/apg/locollitem.asp?lang=en&id=2437&people=


Since some of your melee units seem kinda similar, maybe you could turn one into a spearman instead?  The Aztecs had a kind of spear called a tepoztopilli, which was about as long as a person is tall (range 2, probably) and could be used for both stabbing and chopping.


(it's the thing in the middle)
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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #109 on: 26 March 2011, 00:06:06 »
it would be interesting if the Spearman had a bonus against cavalry.....(the faction doesnt need a certain unit type to have a unit that's good against it.) like, if you add this to the Megapack, then it could counter the knight, the Indian horseman, the drake rider, etc...

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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #110 on: 26 March 2011, 02:35:35 »
what knight? Eliminator, so far your faction looks good and vastly improving. :thumbup:

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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #111 on: 26 March 2011, 03:37:22 »
i mean the Tech's cavalry.....

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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #112 on: 26 March 2011, 04:27:00 »
Ok, thanks, updated tech tree:

tepoztopilli man
Slave
Priest
Coatl
Jaguar-warrior
Eagle-warior
Club fighter
macana warrior
Shielded macana warrior
Archer
Blowpipe man
Calmecac
Snake statue
Army hut
Chinampa
Temple
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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #113 on: 26 March 2011, 10:17:43 »
Whats the difference between the Temple and the Pyramid? :S

The stick warriors use wooden swords and the club fighter has a large club.

But whats the gameplay reason behind them? :S whats the point  of building one over the other?

Still, it's looking great.

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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #114 on: 26 March 2011, 15:47:13 »
The pyramid is like the castle, the temple is like the blacksmith.
The stick warriors can move faster (There like the stick fighter in Indian) And the club man is more like the Guard of tech (With less armour).

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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #115 on: 26 March 2011, 16:06:47 »
dont you have a stickman and a clubman in anther mod of yours?

and the pic looks better, much better!

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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #116 on: 26 March 2011, 16:09:32 »
Remember I am changing them to macana warrior and Shielded macana warrior. Also I don't think I do.
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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #117 on: 26 March 2011, 18:13:33 »
The pyramid is like the castle, the temple is like the blacksmith.
The stick warriors can move faster (There like the stick fighter in Indian) And the club man is more like the Guard of tech (With less armour).

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That's better. Though the stone still could be rougher. ;)


Remember I am changing them to macana warrior and Shielded macana warrior. Also I don't think I do.
I suggest not using things like "'weapon' warrior". Temple Sentry, Pyramid Guardian, High Pyramid Guardian, things more like that.
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« Reply #118 on: 27 March 2011, 00:11:33 »
also, don't make the aztecs very powerful in either attack or armor, they should be more for hit and run with masses of infantry, cheap and mediocre.

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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #119 on: 28 March 2011, 00:06:29 »
also, don't make the aztecs very powerful in either attack or armor, they should be more for hit and run with masses of infantry, cheap and mediocre.
Yah, I know.
The pyramid is like the castle, the temple is like the blacksmith.
The stick warriors can move faster (There like the stick fighter in Indian) And the club man is more like the Guard of tech (With less armour).

What do you think of this icon?:

That's better. Though the stone still could be rougher. ;)


Remember I am changing them to macana warrior and Shielded macana warrior. Also I don't think I do.
I suggest not using things like "'weapon' warrior". Temple Sentry, Pyramid Guardian, High Pyramid Guardian, things more like that.
Hmm, what do you think I should call the macana warrior? He isn't produced from the pyramid or temple.
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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #120 on: 28 March 2011, 02:38:28 »
Pull the names out of a hat.

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The Aztec army was organized into two layers. The commoners were organized into "wards" (calpōlli[8]) that were under the leadership of tiachcahuan[9] and calpoleque [10]. The nobles were organized into professional warrior societies. Apart from the Tlatoani the war leaders of the Aztecs were the High General, the Tlacochcalcatl[11] and the General the Tlācateccatl.[12] The Tlacochcalcatl and Tlacateccatl also had to name successors prior to any battle so that if they died they could be immediately replaced. Priests also took part in warfare, carrying the effigies of deities into battle alongside the armies. The image below shows the Tlacateccatl and the Tlacochcalcatl and two other officers (probably priests) known as Huitznahuatl and Ticocyahuacatl, all dressed in their tlahuiztli suits:
Aztec warriors as depicted in the Codex Mendoza
[edit] Training

Sons of nobles were trained at the Calmecac[13] and received sophisticated training in warfare as well as in general courtly subjects such as astronomy, calendrics, rhetorics, poetry and religion.

The sons of commoners were trained in the TÄ“lpochcalli[14] where they received basic military training and sometimes learned a trade.
[edit] Stratification and ranks

The commoners composed the bulk of the army, the lowest were porters (tlamemeh[15]) who carried weapons and supplies, next came the youths of the telpochcalli led by their sergeants (the tēlpochyahqueh[16]) Next were the commoners yaoquizqueh. And finally there were commoners who had taken captives, the so-called tlamanih.[17]

Ranking above these came the nobles of the "warrior societies". These were ranked according to the number of captives they had taken in previous battles; the number of captives determined which of the different suits of honor (called tlahuiztli)[18] they were allowed to wear. These tlahuiztli became gradually more spectacular as the ranks progressed, allowing the most excellent warriors who had taken many captives to stand out on the battlefield. The higher ranked warriors were also called "Pipiltin".
This page from the Codex Mendoza shows the gradual improvements to equipment and tlahuiztli as a warrior progresses through the ranks from commoner to porter to warrior to captor, and later as a noble progressing in the warrior societies from the noble warrior to "Eagle warrior" to "Jaguar warrior" to "Otomitl" to "Shorn One" and finally as "Tlacateccatl". The Eagle Warrior, Otomitl, and Shorn One figures wear the pamitl.
[edit] Warrior societies

Commoners excelling in warfare could be promoted to the noble class and could enter some of the warrior societies (at least the Eagles and Jaguars). Sons of nobles trained at the Calmecac however were expected to enter into one of the societies as they progressed through the ranks. Warriors could shift from one society and into another when they became sufficiently proficient; exactly how this happened is uncertain. Each society had different styles of dress and equipment as well as styles of body paint and adornments.
[edit] Eagle and Jaguar warriors

Those Aztec warriors who demonstrated the most bravery and who fought well became either jaguar or eagle warriors. Of all of the Aztec warriors, they were the most feared. Both the jaguar and eagle Aztec warriors wore distinguishing helmets and uniforms. The jaguars were identifiable by the jaguar skins they wore over their entire body, with only their faces showing from within the jaguar head. The eagle Aztec warriors, on the other hand, wore feathered helmets including an open beak.
[edit] Otomies
Main article: Otomi (military)

The Otomies (Otōntin[19]) were another warrior society who took their name after the Otomi people who were renowned for their fierce fighting. In the historical sources it is often difficult to discern whether the word otomitl "Otomi" refers to members of the Aztec warrior society, or members of the ethnic group who also often joined the Aztec armies as mercenaries or allies.
[edit] The Shorn Ones

The "Shorn Ones" (Cuachicqueh[20]) was the most prestigious warrior society — their heads were shaved apart from a long braid over the left ear. Their bald heads and faces were painted one half blue and another half red or yellow. They had sworn not to take a step backwards during a battle on pain of death at the hands of their comrades.
[edit] Equipment
[edit] Ranged weapons
Aztec jaguar warrior (ocelōtl) with shield (chimalli) and obsidian sword (mācuahuitl)

Atlatl: The Aztec dart thrower was a weapon used to hurl small darts called "tlacochtli" with greater force and from greater range than they could be thrown by hand. Murals at Teotihuacan show warriors using this effective weapon and it is characteristic of the Mesoamerican cultures of central Mexico.

Tlahuitolli: a bow.

Mitl: arrow.

Micomitl: Aztec arrow quiver.

Yaomitl: war arrows with barbed obsidian points.

Tematlatl: a stone sling. made from maguey fiber.

Tlacalhuazcuahuitl: a blowgun consisting of a hollow reed using poison darts for ammunition. This was used primarily for hunting rather than warfare.
[edit] Melee weapons

Macuahuitl: "hand-wood", essentially a wooden sword with sharp obsidian blades embedded into its sides. This was the standard armament of the elite cadres. Also known in Spanish by the Taino word "macana". A blow from such a weapon was reputedly capable of decapitating a horse.[21]

Tepoztopilli: Wooden spear with sharp obsidian blades in the top.

Quauhololli: a simple club with a spherical wooden ball at the end.

Huitzauhqui: a wooden club with inlaid obsidian blades.
[edit] Armor

Chimalli: shields made by different materials such as the wooden shield "cuauhchimalli" or maize cane "otlachimalli". There were also ornamental shields decorated with motifs made in featherwork, these were called māhuizzoh chimalli.

Ichcahuipilli: quilted cotton armor. One or two fingers thick, this material was resistant to obsidian swords and atlatl darts.

Ehuatl: the tunic that some noble warriors wore over their cotton armor or tlahuiztli.

Tlahuiztli: the distinctively decorated suits of prestigious warriors and members of warrior societies.

Pamitl: the identifying emblems that officers and famous warriors wore on their backs. Like the Japanese uma-jirushi, these were frequently unique to their wearers, and were not necessarily shaped like flags.
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Re: Aztecs
« Reply #121 on: 2 April 2011, 02:11:19 »
Here is a shot of the temple and the pyramid:
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« Reply #122 on: 2 April 2011, 02:23:52 »
Pyramid: Fantastic!
Temple: http://www.google.com/images?q=aztec+temple&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&sa=X&ei=VYiWTcCeDNCdgQelzvi1CA&ved=0CCMQsAQ&biw=1858&bih=1172 Hmm.... The temples go on top of the pyramids...... Maybe you could have the pyramid morph into a pyramid with a temple on it?
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« Reply #123 on: 2 April 2011, 15:49:45 »
Yes, but think if how many cells it would take up to make the top base of the pyramid big enough to fit the temple. It wouldn't fit in any map. Also I want the guys to be able to walk through it...
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« Reply #124 on: 2 April 2011, 17:53:40 »
Yes, but think if how many cells it would take up to make the top base of the pyramid big enough to fit the temple. It wouldn't fit in any map. Also I want the guys to be able to walk through it...
dude, you just make it smaller and shove it on the top of the already made temple! i like the idea of the pyramid turning into the temple (think of how the Zerg climb the tech tree in StarCraft.)