MegaGlest 3.5.0 beta 2 - Faction Persia

[JohnP4]

Faction Persian it is a not Persia, it is India!

[-Archmage-]

Well, it was called Persia at the approximate time the mod is meant to portray.
Besides what should we call them instead? Indians?
Please think your post over before you post it, and don't post topics over trivial things.

Locked.

[softcoder]

Unlocked, please Arch this hardly needed to be locked, let this user have his say.

[JohnP4]

Thanks softcoder.

How in English you call them?

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And them?

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One word or different words?

[-Archmage-]

People of India - Indians
Native Americans - Indians

Native Americans have nothing to do with India, but we still call them Indians.

The faction name fits the time the faction portrays, because it was called Persia at that time.

[JohnP4]

India has never been Persia.

This is the Persian empire, India on the right.

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And they have different religions, Hinduism and Islam.

[will]

AoE2 had persians and whilst the megapack persians are reminisent of them, the megapack persians struck me as more indian when I first saw them too.

Flying carpets are arabic iirc, although iyou do say persian rugs so... someone would have to google.

Its not as flagrant as english longbowmen in romans, though

[ultifd]

Archmage, please think twice about locking threads like these...
Well, we should probably call the Indians Native Americans instead. I know that's something that should be done.  Thanks for the reminder...

[JohnP4]

Good, because

I think, this is the same as a create fraction of China,
add to it samurai and call it Japan.

Maybe you offend someone (wich live in India, for example).

[ultifd]

Yes we understand, although your example isn't really a good one because China and Japan don't really have the name association problem with Indians and Native Americans...but anyways, we understand.

[tomreyn]

This game is not, in all aspects, politically correct. In fact it supports a several silly stereotypes, and it surely contains several aspects which are historically completely incorrect. There is no doubt about it. I'm also convinced that none of these incorrect representations were or are intended and that people who contributed to the core data of this game did not intend to insult anybody. However, I'm not convinced that any changes should take place to make this game more in line with history, unless its developers can be convinced that any one of these misrepresentations that it causes anyone real harm and that the possibly serious efforts involved in making any suggested changes happen will be worth it.

A name change is, admittedly, a minor change, but it will most likely not happen for the 3.5.0 release. If constructive suggestions are made and good names can be found it may be possible to make such changes during or after the merge of MG + GAE.

[JohnP4]

I saw the mistake and reported it, no more and no less.
You could say "You're right, this is not correct"
Or "So it was conceived".
And I would have understood.
But -Archmage- says that I made ​​a mistake.
I just wanted convince that i'm right.

Сourse, change it or not, it's your deal.

[-Archmage-]

I saw the mistake and reported it, no more and no less.
You could say "You're right, this is not correct"
Or "So it was conceived".
And I would have understood.
But -Archmage- says that I made ​​a mistake.
I just wanted convince that i'm right.

Сourse, change it or not, it's your deal.

Well the Persian faction represents the Persians at some time long ago(+mythology), I think it is totally appropriate to call them Persians.

[JohnP4]

In game it is India "at some time long ago(+mythology)" (may be excluding flying carpets), not Persia.
How do you not understand?

When i report it, i could not think that it is such a big problem.
I just drew your attention to this.

Not important.
Each can think what he want.

[Omega]

Proposal to change absolutely nothing?

[JohnP4]

Omega,
if you say it to me
I will answer: "Now, yes".

[ultifd]

Now, of course...for the merge or something there might be a possibility. I think I like using the term "Native Americans" better than "Indians" at least... 

[Omega]

Now, of course...for the merge or something there might be a possibility. I think I like using the term "Native Americans" better than "Indians" at least... 

Too long.

As for the faction itself, sure it has many similarities to India, but it also is not entirely dissimilar to ancient Persia.

The naming issues of calling them the Indians though reminds me of a Get Smart episode.

Take a look at 3:40.

[John.d.h]

Now, of course...for the merge or something there might be a possibility. I think I like using the term "Native Americans" better than "Indians" at least... 

At least "Native Americans" is actually correct.  Calling them Indians is not.  The word "Indian" indicates something from India (duh! ).  It's a little silly to keep perpetuating a five-century-old misunderstanding from when Colón/Columbus thought he landed in Asia.

If it required a complete retooling of a faction, I think that would be excessive, but I think minor changes are worth doing.  Renaming two factions would be trivial to do.  Is there a good name that encompasses the area of the world with India and Persia, that would incorporate both?

[Omega]

Now, of course...for the merge or something there might be a possibility. I think I like using the term "Native Americans" better than "Indians" at least... 

At least "Native Americans" is actually correct.  Calling them Indians is not.  The word "Indian" indicates something from India (duh! ).  It's a little silly to keep perpetuating a five-century-old misunderstanding from when Colón/Columbus thought he landed in Asia.

If it required a complete retooling of a faction, I think that would be excessive, but I think minor changes are worth doing.  Renaming two factions would be trivial to do.  Is there a good name that encompasses the area of the world with India and Persia, that would incorporate both?

I still say stick with the names we have, regardless of whether or not they are correct, because this is what they are known by, and this is what players are going to call them. Also, we'd have to make a large change to the update package just for a little renaming because we can't depend on users to even be tech-friendly enough to rename the correct folders nor is there any easy way to do so.

tl;dr version: No changes.

[ultifd]

Uh...no changes for now, you mean. 

[will]

Persian has such a rich and identifiable history and style, and the faction shares only its name.  I find it jarring.

How about we rename them Raj, Indus or just India?

And the Indians can be renamed Tribe, Apache or Sioux?