linux only bug: g3d viewer shows meshes with GL_CULL_FACE

[will]

Many models show themselves inside out in the viewer.  

Maybe the models have their normals flipped.  The models are likely broken.

But I've seen these "broken" models in most mods - its a very common problem.  And they show ok in-game.

[John.d.h]

Many models show themselves inside out in the viewer. 

Maybe the models have their normals flipped.  The models are likely broken.

But I've seen these "broken" models in most mods - its a very common problem.  And they show ok in-game.

This is a problem with the models, not the viewer.  We can rebuild them.  We have the technology.  Better, faster, stronger...

https://forum.megaglest.org/index.php?topic=7083.0

The Magitech models in GAE are already fixed, so even just porting those over to MG would be a significant size reduction.

[will]

I stand that the viewer ought to be completely exactly loyal to the game.

The particles also draw differently because of z-order.

It would be far better for the drawing code to be shared.

[Omega]

I stand that the viewer ought to be completely exactly loyal to the game.

The particles also draw differently because of z-order.

It would be far better for the drawing code to be shared.

+1 

[John.d.h]

Fair enough, but the models should still be fixed, for performance and file size considerations.  Most of the Megapack models are broken in the current SVN version -- some of them are bloated to several times their necessary size (Archmage Tower ~100KB -> 27.2KB) and most of them (anything other than original Magitech assets) is double-sided.

[Omega]

Fair enough, but the models should still be fixed, for performance and file size considerations.  Most of the Megapack models are broken in the current SVN version -- some of them are bloated to several times their necessary size (Archmage Tower ~100KB -> 27.2KB) and most of them (anything other than original Magitech assets) is double-sided.

Also in agreement, though both would be nice.

This might be a bit early to say, as it's still an alpha, but I think that the G3D "hack" tool silnarm made should replace the G3D viewer once/if it supports particles (not entirely sure if it can, and not on my computer).

[ultifd]

No problems on windows.

[will]

On linux.

[Omega]

I've definitely seen that before on windows. Not sure if it's in the current version, and don't have time to check, but unless it's been fixed in the past, it should still be there.

[ultifd]

Never seen that problem on Windows before. I also viewed the same model that Will had...

[will]

It could be a winding issue perhaps?  I am not sure how the cull_face is exactly involved here.

[titi]

@will:  Can you give us an example g3d which shows this bug?

[will]

The tripod in martians is shown in my screenshot

I was a bit quick to say it was cull face fault, that was based on simply looking at the symptoms and guessing

Maybe its a near z plane problem instead?  (Another guess)

[titi]

I tried it now and I don't have/see any problems :-/ .  ( megaglest g3dviewer from 3.5.2 official binary release linux 32 bit ubuntu 10.04 nvidia )
Tomreyn also has problems with the g3d viewer, but this seems to be related to the open source ATI driver.
You maybe also use ATI?

[will]

Intel integrated on Linux

[Omega]

Can you upload just that one model (and texture) since I don't have the mod on hand and am curious if it would appear for me too... I have certainly seen such a problem in the past, sometimes even the reverse, appearing like that in Blender, but properly in the viewer...