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Desura
« on: 9 October 2011, 22:20:11 »
Awesome!  :thumbup:

I think titi also got this invitation:
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Linux & Desura

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Hi I'm Tim Jung the Desura Linux Game Lead. We would be interested in having this available on Desura if you are willing. Please let me know if you are interested. Thanks.
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So, are we interested?

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Re: Desura
« Reply #1 on: 18 October 2011, 16:09:44 »
oh i just searched in desura for it but couldn't find it. thougt it was already added. i think it should defenetly made available, as i see great potential for desura and by this, lots of people exploring megaglest

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Re: Desura
« Reply #2 on: 21 October 2011, 11:17:46 »
I have no real opinion  :-/ . In general I think it would be good to get more player.

But some questions:
Is there anything bad that is known about desura?

According to wikipedia Desura is a proprietary digital distribution platform developed by DesuraNET. Will we get into trouble with the licenses?
Or in other words: Why do they ask us if they can do so? Are they just kind people or do they have a conflict with our license ( which we don't want to change and we are not allowed to change because its based on glest )
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Re: Desura
« Reply #3 on: 21 October 2011, 22:25:14 »
Good questions. Unless we could also make the source code available through it I guess it would be incompatible with the GPL. And using it just means we need to support yet another way of distribution. It's also a proprietary client, server and distribution protocol so it's not really in line with our philosophy. So I'm not so sure whether I'm in favor currently.
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Re: Desura
« Reply #4 on: 22 October 2011, 09:55:07 »
It is not necessary that the sourcecode is available through the same channel as the distribution, only that it is available.

Clearly you couldn't make any modifications or adaptions for Desura that you were required not to share freely.

But you can make a vanilla binary distribution of the standard game as long as the source is available (as it is, via the web).

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Re: Desura
« Reply #5 on: 23 October 2011, 09:38:18 »
I also think this is not the problem. If there is a problem its something else. From my point we should try it, but we must be careful with any kind of contracts.
In general I like the Desura idea because it features the Linux gaming market.
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Re: Desura
« Reply #6 on: 6 February 2012, 19:11:20 »
I'm not opposed to distributing via Desura.

I've also been approached by Protektor late last year (on the combined Desura / ModDB / IndieDB platform). His message looked like it was directed to multiple open source projects which are not yet available on Desura (and because it's generic and nothing sensitive I bet he won't mind me publishing it):

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I would love to have this available on Desura. We just need someone to keep it updated and answer user support issues/questions. If you are interested let me know.

I responded early this year, roughly a month ago:

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This would be nice, however, someone who can take upon this additional workload, is responsible and sticking to this task is exactly what we're missing. In addition to an open source Desura client.
We're in Debian now (and thus soon in Ubuntu). If you had a way to transform games which were released in deb format or with MojoSetup for the Linux platforms to the format needed for a Desura installation, and a way to convert games which were released using NSIS to the Desura format, and games which were released as OS X applications to the Desura format, this would also help us. Having to maintain yet another release format just for Desura is simply a lot of overhead.

 One more note I'd like to add is that I don't entirely like the idea of making Free Software (libre software) games compete with commercial games. It would be good to introduce a separate category for FOSS games, such as you have it for Indie vs AAA games already.
 

I haven't heard back, yet.

Summing up our discussion so far:
  • We wouldn't mind to have MegaGlest on Desura
  • Desura's TOS need to be reviewed to not violate our licensing terms (and not to cause any trouble for us in general).
  • It is unclear how much work is involved in packaging MegaGlest for Desura, and, no less important, who would volunteer to do it.
There are also a few more open questions and requests we may want to make towards Desura which we have not discussed so far:
  • The Desura client source code has, to my knowledge, not yet been released (despite of at least two announcements to do so), and it is unclear what's blocking it. Do we want to ask for this to happen before we allow for MG to be listed on Desura, in an attempt to further the spread of open source software and to make them take a stance for open source software which goes beyond PR?
  • On Desura, there is a tag 'free' for games, but it is not currently possible to search for it (which you can search for some other game properties already), do we want to request this to be possible?
  • There is not currently a free software category or licensing terms search option on Desura, do we want to ask for this to be made available so that users who choose to only install free software are able to tell apart software published under FSF endorsed licenses (GPL, LGPL, ...) from freeware?
Is there anything else we should think of?
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Re: Desura
« Reply #7 on: 11 February 2012, 16:21:56 »
Source code to Desura:
https://github.com/lodle/Desurium

I think it's a good idea... and plenty of other FOSS games are on it already.

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Re: Desura
« Reply #8 on: 11 February 2012, 18:34:05 »
Thanks, I stand half way corrected. This seems to be the source code to Desurium (an open source alternative to Desura), though, not to Desura itself. But I guess no more can be expected because otherwise the (I assume) proprietary digital rights protection mechanisms will no longer work out. I really don't know whether Desura really uses DRM internally, though. But this would explain why there are two different builds.
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Re: Desura
« Reply #9 on: 11 February 2012, 20:49:30 »
Desurium is 100% identical to Desura except the name (it's a trademark issue... similar to the Chrome and Chromium browsers).

AFAIK Desura does not use any form of DRM (yet?), all the (Linux) games I have tried run independantly when started from the Desura directory without Desura running in the background.