[fixed] - 3.5.3 beta1, Magic Faction, Golem can finish building himself

[TotalNoob]

Hi

Not sure if it is intended to but if Initiate leaves the Golem, which he started to build, the Golem can finish building himself through regeneration.

[tomreyn]

Which version are you referring to? Please DO read the sticky post which explains which info is required for a useful bug report.

[TotalNoob]

Yes, very sorry for this one. Thread subject altered.

[tomreyn]

I just reproduced this bug. It's present since vanilla Glest. The problem is that the golem starts regenerating by the time the initiate starts building it. If the initiate cancels building the golem will continue to regenerate both HP and EP, and finally have full HP and EP. By this time it is still the small piece of stone and cannot move or attack. If, however, an initiate attacks the golem, then heals it, the Golem will become functional immediately when it reaches full health again.

[TotalNoob]

Question is what the creators of Glest had in mind. Maybe they wanted it that way or did it unintentionally. Personally I think we can consider this bug as a feature

[MuwuM]

I'd prefer to correct it to let regeneration finish building or remove regeneration on on-build-mode.

[tomreyn]

Question is what the creators of Glest had in mind. Maybe they wanted it that way or did it unintentionally. Personally I think we can consider this bug as a feature

If it was a feature then you would not need to attack the golem once it has full EP + HP. Currently that's neccessary since, if you don't, the golem will not mutate and you just have a block of stone there with lots of HP + EP, which can neither move nor attack / defend.

[TotalNoob]

Oh now I get it. Then you are right.

[Ishmaru]

Should the fix be to have Golem complete himself when max hp, or to not regenerate hp while being built? Or both, tech/faction specific?

[tomreyn]

Thanks for bringing us back on track by asking the question of how to fix it, Ishmaru.

Having it configurable would allow for a nice tweak. By default, or if configurablity involves more work than is considered worth spending on this, I'd say units should never generate HP nor EP while being built, but only when they are complete and start to 'live'.

[Omega]

Having it configurable would allow for a nice tweak. By default, or if configurablity involves more work than is considered worth spending on this, I'd say units should never generate HP nor EP while being built, but only when they are complete and start to 'live'.

I'm really not so sure. While I agree that the golem should not be "building itself", I like how it starts with EP (otherwise you'd have to wait a fair while after building the golem to even move it). In fact, ideally, I'd say units should start with full EP, but that could have the potential to offtip balance in existing factions, so either leaving the EP alone (that is, just have the HP regen start once built, with the EP regen starting once building begins), though perhaps we could use a separate feature request for the whole concept of such a feature.

[TotalNoob]

Egyptian Air Pyramid has the same issue as Golem and behaves in the same way as Tomreyn described.

[titi]

I think no regeneration while in "be build" state is the right way?

[MuwuM]

I think ep should regenerate but hp should not

[Ishmaru]

Well the way I see it is the unit structure is not yet complete, so it shouldn't be generating ep until its functional. But if everyone wants ep generation while building I'm fine with that.

[tomreyn]

I'm with Ishmaru there. I would mind units stating with a given non-zero EP value, though. And they should start with 100% HP.

[softcoder]

This should be fixed in beta2 (titi made the change)

[Ishmaru]

This should be fixed in beta2 (titi made the change)

What was the fix? Disabling regeneration during building?

[softcoder]

Titi made this change and I believe it was to disable regen during build.

[titi]

yes