Tech vs Military mod (idea !)

[ProfEclipse]

Tech vs Military mod

I'm making a mod which has two factions : "Tech" and "Military". This techtree is based on original Tech faction and unatf faction and still in progress. All units are handled perfectly.

Do you think about the power of these factions ? Really, in general, Military's units have bullets, guns, missile launcher, armored vehicles, etc... And Tech's units only have swords, bows, arrows, stones, and simple missiles...

How do you win if you play Tech or Military faction ? Bullets vs arrows ? Metal vs missiles ? You win when ...? you have tons of unit to defeat enemy.
1. Features :

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General features :
New resource : Metal, population (static).
Complex faction. (Tech has about 40 units, and 32 units (military faction)).
Lot's of units. (with heroes support)
Improved sounds and textures.
Emergency units (cost nothing - for critical problem only) [New !]

Tech :
Strong :
Very cheap units, fast producing. (Ex : Within 25 seconds we can produce at least 2 archers !)
Quickly move your army to attack or defend.
Strong stone units (Castle, wall,...)
Many upgrades, supports level 2.
Lots of unit types, each unit type has a different attack type for specific enemy.
Heroes producing supports (Very slow)
The units can protect themselves (Eg : Row protecting ; Column protecting)
When a enemy base is found, the faction will accept to encircle the base, then attack, and attack... until it's destroyed.

Weak :
A large amount of weak units.
Wood buildings are weak.
Expensive defense units.

Military :
Strong :
Lots of powerful units but very expensive and slow producing.
Powerful defense units.
Strong building units but take a long time to complete.
Can quickly destroy enemy base.

Weak :
While encircled (by Tech faction), it's the hard problem to defend your base.
Long time repairing.
Upgrades are too expensive.

2. Powerful Units

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Tech :
Catapult : Very effective unit to destroy buildings and armored units, and any affected unit by "catapult" (except buildings) will take damage over time, and reduce move speed.

Poison archer : This unit is the best ideal to poisoning enemies (And heroes ???). With different levels of poison, the victim will do nothing and do nothing (expect heroes). The sight range and move speed are multiplied by 0 so only "elite" level units can continue attack with slow speed.
Note : This unit will not affect buildings and armored vehicles.

Battle Machine : Quickly to destroy "human" and vehicle units by large axe, and can against of missile attack for a long. ()
Weak against : Flamethrowers, rpg troopers, howitzers, missiles from the air (bomber, heli).

Airship : Powerful unit to destroy armored units and buildings with ornithopters units.
Weak against : aa missiles, rpg trooper (anti air).

Any slashing-attack units : They will prevent enemies and protect weak units (Archers). Cheap, but effectively.

Military :

Tank : The best powerful unit to destroy buildings and some of "giant-health" units such as battle machine, heroes.
Weak against : Slashing-attack units. (Because it's missiles can damage itself).

Heli (Helicopter) : When full health it will fire missiles, otherwise it will use "shotgun" weapon to quickly killing "human" enemies.

Bomber : Carrying a large amount of long-ranged bombs which can quickly destroy or damage seriously the enemy base.

Smoke grenadier : This unit deals less damage, which throws smoke grenades that can reduce sight range, armor, move speed and attack strength of any affected unit (except buildings).
So use the "Smoke grenadier" units to attack crowded place for fun !

Mortar :  It is capable of attacking very long range, and it's rank : "Building killer".

Special Ops : Very smart in attacking, snipe an enemy first (deals great damage but not affect vehicles and buildings), then switch automatically to secondary attack (Shock gun).

Nuclear attack (Headquarters) : Destroy anything in huge area (except buildings and heroes). All affected alive units (Ex - Buildings) will take awful effect : Reduce Hit-Point, production speed, move speed and attack strength permanently.

3. Tip and Trick :

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Tech :

- The defense tower unit is not against strong armor units, so use "catapult" as an additional defense unit.
- Control the slashing-attack units (Guard, swordman) attack first, then behind them you place an archer's army, with catapults and airships -> Very perfect army !!!
- Attack the buildings which are very hard to repair. Eg : Ops facility, Reactor, Hanger
- Howitzer is very dangerous unit with extremely long range, and it should be destroyed quickly because its long range and splash damage.
 Use slashing-attack units & horsemans to approach howitzers and catapults to quickly destroy them.

Military :

-Bullets are very effective against "leather" armor. (But metal ?)
-So, place several rpg troopers or (smoke) grenadiers to quickly clean slashing-attack units.
-Try to use planes to attack Tech's archer armies. The battle will become simpler more.

4. Images :

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For more details I will post plenty of screenshots here :
Example 1 :

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Animal attacking :

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Brave horsemans :

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Heli attacking :

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Nuclear attacking :

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Oh my force ! My force ! Help !!!

Status : Testing, Making Scenarios

[wyvern]

Well, first of all, if your making this mod and using the models of original Glest and Military mod, then you absolutely MUST give credit to the original creators/ modellers/designers of your units/factions etc. It looks like an interesting mod, though balancing out two very different factions could prove difficult.
Good Luck, and Give Credit

[Mr War]

Who made the models for military mod?

[ProfEclipse]

Omega - Apocalyptic Dawn
https://forum.megaglest.org/index.php?topic=3802.0

[Omega]

Judging from the images, you also have a really old version (that Humvee is hideous). I actually had plans to revamp AD, but they were abandoned due to time constraints and other projects. At any rate, you should use a more recent version. Don't really want those god-ugly older humvee models being attributed to me.

Here's a download of the last stable version, with some unreleased tweaks. However, due to some weird bug in restoring it from backup, some folders have uppercase letters, and thus this probably won't work on Linux without minor modifications. That's up to you, this isn't an official release. http://www.mediafire.com/?j1ezy5buv0a7j7v

Also, please note that in order to abide with the licensing of the AD mod, you MUST include either the following AUTHORS file or create your own which credits everyone mentioned in the file. http://pastebin.com/kavwFdbC

[ElimiNator]

I don't say the tech faction will be defeated, but I do say Tech is an old medieval faction would look very odd alongside Military, a modern faction.

[ProfEclipse]

Judging from the images, you also have a really old version (that Humvee is hideous). I actually had plans to revamp AD, but they were abandoned due to time constraints and other projects. At any rate, you should use a more recent version. Don't really want those god-ugly older humvee models being attributed to me.

Here's a download of the last stable version, with some unreleased tweaks. However, due to some weird bug in restoring it from backup, some folders have uppercase letters, and thus this probably won't work on Linux without minor modifications. That's up to you, this isn't an official release. http://www.mediafire.com/?j1ezy5buv0a7j7v

Also, please note that in order to abide with the licensing of the AD mod, you MUST include either the following AUTHORS file or create your own which credits everyone mentioned in the file. http://pastebin.com/kavwFdbC

Thanks for the help. I'm going to fix them now. And Credits...Wait a bit...
I'll be back...

[ProfEclipse]

Please test my first program here :
https://forum.megaglest.org/index.php?topic=8614.msg84225#new
Almost current problems are fixed. My next gallery is coming soon !
Remark : This gallery will show you more about the battles between Military and Tech. (All units, attacks and defending.)

[Manric]

Answering Omega: I was immediately curious about your Military, and downloaded it. Aside from the capital letter issue, that I corrected at once, I found the faction did not work on Megaglest, with all those GAE-only tags. So I set to edit xml's, and now I am able to run a reduced version of your work.
Now then, with regard to ProfEclipse mod, it may look very queer, because your models, although excellent, are much smaller than those in Megapack. (My modeling abilities being close to zero, I ignore if it is very easy to scale models up).   
Lastly, and with a chuckle, I would like to remark to you that Military has a pair of zero-size units, that inevitably lead to the confusion of the AI. (Other notorious examples are found in the Vbros packs and in Enemies & Allies).

[ElimiNator]

I don't think it the 0 size units that cause the confusion in the AI, It is expensive units and upgrades. While humans can see the need for the upgrade and save up for it, bots just spam starter units and never upgraded. Therefor they never get very high (I am talking about Enemies & Allies.)

[Omega]

I don't think it the 0 size units that cause the confusion in the AI, It is expensive units and upgrades. While humans can see the need for the upgrade and save up for it, bots just spam starter units and never upgraded. Therefor they never get very high (I am talking about Enemies & Allies.)

Actually, the size zero units do cause a degree of confusion, but AD was never intended to be a MegaGlest mod, and was tailored to GAE's gameplay. There's a tag that could be added to the size zero units so MegaGlest treats them properly, but that's (for whatever reason), not the default handling of size zero units. The starter versus late game units is evident in pretty much every mod, but never really caused an issues in AD, as in large numbers, the starter units can be really strong (an advantage given by their ranged attacks). The AI could benefit from some diversity, but they'll still give a serious challenge on a CPU-ultra level.

[Manric]

The AI confusion I am referring to is what happens after the CPU army destroys the enemy base (see our little discussion in my earlier post on AI peculiarities). Further tests have shown that ANY zero-size unit, with or without cellmap, with or without the allowEmpty clause, is going to cause problems with the AI. What confuses the issue is that in many cases the AI takes its time in detecting those offending units. Sometimes even several minutes after the destruction of the enemy base. But, sooner or later, its warriors start getting to the fatal spot and the Wheel of Doom is formed, no matter how many other enemies are still on the map. At the moment I have found no way to prevent this, other than giving a size 1 to the fake unit.