Author Topic: Generic MG Refit Discussion (renamed) (Read 40917 times)

MuwuM · « **Reply #100 on:** 19 December 2012, 10:19:05 »

Ok, then I would work on the desert-people. But still need artists...

-Archmage- · « **Reply #101 on:** 19 December 2012, 11:12:33 »

Elim/Omega/John/Mr.War

Omega is currently busy with finals but should be done soon last I heard.

MuwuM · « **Reply #102 on:** 19 December 2012, 15:59:28 »

I like the Idea of having heroes. So we should generally add at least one hero unit to each faction. To limit heroes we could use a hidden static ressource (e.g. 'legendary soul' ).

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<resource>
   <image path="images/image.bmp"/>
   <type value="static">
      <recoup-cost value="true" />
   </type>
   <display value="false"/>
</resource>

<recoup-cost value="false" /> to disable resurrection ;-)

Zoythrus · « **Reply #103 on:** 19 December 2012, 16:00:58 »

Quote from: MuwuM on 19 December 2012, 15:59:28

I like the Idea of having heroes. So we should generally add at least one hero unit to each faction. To limit heroes we could use a hidden static ressource (e.g. 'legendary soul' ).

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<resource> <image path="images/image.bmp"/> <type value="static"> <recoup-cost value="true" /> </type> <display value="false"/> </resource>
<recoup-cost value="false" /> to disable resurrection ;-)

Am I the only one here who absolutely hates to use a hidden resource? I just wished that unit limits were built into the engine!

MuwuM · « **Reply #104 on:** 19 December 2012, 16:11:56 »

There are unit limits ... but they are not working for two different unit-types ... which would mean some larger changes in code....

Omega · « **Reply #105 on:** 19 December 2012, 16:22:08 »

Quote from: Zoythrus on 19 December 2012, 16:00:58

Am I the only one here who absolutely hates to use a hidden resource? I just wished that unit limits were built into the engine!

We can use unit limits for most heroes, but if the desert nomads are using two heroes, it has to be a hidden resource. I'm also not sure about setting recoup to false. If the hero is expensive enough, it should be a risk enough to lose. It'd be kind of nice if we could set a cooldown on the recoup of the resource. For example, when the hero dies, the "hero resource" isn't recuperated for, say, 3 minutes. That'd need a new feature though, and I'm wary of being dependent on non-existent features just in the hopes it might get implemented before the mod is done.

Also, moving this topic to the mods board, as that's where the other MegaGlest refit topics are.

ElimiNator · « **Reply #106 on:** 19 December 2012, 17:36:03 »

No need for a resource, we can just do:

<max-unit-count value="1"/>

And make it cost lots of resources to produce, forcing you to save up.

Also we will wait to do Romans till Norse and Egypt are done.

MuwuM · « **Reply #107 on:** 19 December 2012, 19:10:39 »

max-unit-count does not work for limiting 2 units of different types to have only one of them build...

You are mentioning Dropbox a lot... I personally don't like it much for such a project... it is not good enougth in merging changes... why don't we use SVN or Git (Github is free for OpenSource stuff)... which are really made for development and not just for sharing?

ElimiNator · « **Reply #108 on:** 19 December 2012, 19:17:40 »

Quote from: MuwuM on 19 December 2012, 19:10:39

max-unit-count does not work for limiting 2 units of different types to have only one of them build...

Why would we what that? If there are two heroes you should be able to produce them both.

Zoythrus · « **Reply #109 on:** 19 December 2012, 19:19:28 »

Quote from: ElimiNator on 19 December 2012, 19:17:40

Quote from: MuwuM on 19 December 2012, 19:10:39
max-unit-count does not work for limiting 2 units of different types to have only one of them build...
Why would we what that? If there are two heroes you should be able to produce them both.

It's A xor B, Elim.

MoLAoS · « **Reply #110 on:** 19 December 2012, 19:19:44 »

You wouldn't want both if your goal was to pick between good and evil or something. There are dozens of games where you only get to pick one of a set of units.

Zoythrus · « **Reply #111 on:** 19 December 2012, 19:30:41 »

Maybe the heroes can have a unique unit associated with them. A unit that the hero can summon (that you can't get any other way) to make the faction unique.

-Archmage- · « **Reply #112 on:** 19 December 2012, 19:59:58 »

We're using dropbox for the graphics and gameplay part, you can use github for the code, but it was simpler to use dropbox. Plus our team has experience with it.

MuwuM · « **Reply #113 on:** 19 December 2012, 20:12:35 »

ALL code changes from me will only be submitted to MG. I don't accept a code-forking. Then I have to use dropbox...

-Archmage- · « **Reply #114 on:** 19 December 2012, 20:16:40 »

Whatever gets the features in and keeps everyone happy.

MuwuM · « **Reply #115 on:** 19 December 2012, 21:26:14 »

Zoy and me did summarize the two faction topics into google documents...

Njord: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B_exswRUbeQBSaQZD9CI0M2oYALsrnl2C353r-sI65g/edit
Desert Nomads: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11jdEdRhQ4sGB0UL5KHs8K6XVtzrI-z6MLp9hnBb3JXc/edit

Zoythrus · « **Reply #116 on:** 19 December 2012, 22:24:13 »

Quote from: MuwuM on 19 December 2012, 21:26:14

Zoy and me did summarize the two faction topics into google documents...

Njord: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B_exswRUbeQBSaQZD9CI0M2oYALsrnl2C353r-sI65g/edit
Desert Nomads: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11jdEdRhQ4sGB0UL5KHs8K6XVtzrI-z6MLp9hnBb3JXc/edit

Hey guys, we've updated these pages! Give them a look! We want feedback.

Omega · « **Reply #117 on:** 20 December 2012, 10:30:49 »

Quote from: Zoythrus on 19 December 2012, 19:30:41

Maybe the heroes can have a unique unit associated with them. A unit that the hero can summon (that you can't get any other way) to make the faction unique.

While possible, it doesn't really fit in with the current set of units, and having a non-displayed resource of which you only have one of works fine. Use <display value="false" /> in the resource XML.

Also, as mentioned in the last topic, note that you can highlight text and add a comment with the "add comment button" (ctrl + alt + m) in the Google doc. It's organized.

wciow · « **Reply #118 on:** 20 December 2012, 21:09:36 »

Someone needs to write a design document for the Olmas faction. Then I can start working...

ElimiNator · « **Reply #119 on:** 20 December 2012, 21:53:57 »

I think were doing Norse and Desert first.

-Archmage- · « **Reply #120 on:** 20 December 2012, 23:15:42 »

Wciow: As Eliminator said. Please join in on the current development man.

Pick Norse or Desert. The reason we're collaborating is to raise the quality level.

MuwuM · « **Reply #121 on:** 21 December 2012, 13:13:56 »

We should plan the central armor and damage-types. I prepared a GoogleDocSheet for this.

I also added a simple Damage calculator for testing:
Damage-Calculator

Omega · « **Reply #122 on:** 24 December 2012, 05:46:02 »

So, I finally got synced up with the dropbox folder and took a look at it. I'd like to propose we delete all the existing MegaPack stuff and start from scratch rather than editing it into the MegaPack. The reason for this is to prevent us from getting mixed up with old media and to make it easier to tell what we have and have not yet done.

-Archmage- · « **Reply #123 on:** 24 December 2012, 06:06:04 »

Quote from: Omega on 24 December 2012, 05:46:02

So, I finally got synced up with the dropbox folder and took a look at it. I'd like to propose we delete all the existing MegaPack stuff and start from scratch rather than editing it into the MegaPack. The reason for this is to prevent us from getting mixed up with old media and to make it easier to tell what we have and have not yet done.

The whole point is we need placeholders. Building from scratch will take FAR longer as we already have unit xmls and art setup that simply need to be tweaked together and have the media switched out. Trust me it's MUCH faster to build a faction out of an existing one. But if the Desert Team decides to build it that way go ahead but don't delete anything outside of your faction and your work.

Psychedelic_hands · « **Reply #124 on:** 24 December 2012, 06:55:16 »

I agree arch, plus it lets us prototype gameplay and such. Starting with the Megapack is great.

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