I guarantee you that every single listed old player invited much more players to IRC than you. Basically I may be wrong but besides Issh and edaq you are the next "youngest old player" here for now, because time spent in playing/in the lobby matters, not registration date and not first game date and then missing for many months. Where you were? on the Mars this whole time?
You are fresh and more active in some areas now, which is good, but thinking about yourself like "I am the one, the best, and noone ever did this job" looks a bit funny.
Definitely in the past, but from since I joined, I've never seen anyone invited by the whole crew in the hundreds of hours I've been in since I joined. I do know that during the hours I wasn't on, there were a few that got invited to IRC. But, I'm sure that I\ invited the most people to IRC in the last 3 years since I've joined. I'd say around twenty. Thus again, I ask the question: What did you guys do during this time? If it was time restraints, then it's a perfectly okay excuse. However, people like you, Alket, Jammy, and david should've done a lot more to invite players. There are definitely people who are worthy of inviting into the community and I've done without fail to invite quality people. Perhaps, my time here is not enough to have a say.
And also, time spent as an old player =/= increasing level of quality or leadership. That's simply an excuse to degrade my position in this conversation despite me filling the same role(
MG retainer) as you.
In addition, my arrogant tone is simply how I type when I get serious. In this case, I am serious about the future of the community.
@part 2 of your question:
During the summer, I was on vacation. During the year, my studies got more intensive, so I wasn't available. Then I had another vacation(this time family). However, I did pop in during these troubling times, I just never got to play a game.
Next thing.
We are successfully choosing people to invite. Few successful multiplayer games and signs that guy is looking for more occasions to play is a great candidate to invite.
If it is visible that person is not interested to play at all, or you can't catch him in the lobby because even typing simple "Hi" is too slow because he left the lobby invitation doesn't have point.
... same like there is no sense to invite trolls like you tried today with "pegunCZ". I played with him today twice and for now it is plain troll which is attacking own team members. Theoretically for now (if he will return) he is closer to be banned than invited by me to the IRC. Why there is not very high chance for his return? because he learned that his trolling tactic is not so successful and trolls are very unhappy in such situations.
Then provide a solution for the "2fast2furious" newbs. My solution would be a better chat system, so one can stay in a lobby while contacting other players to join them.
(the development got shutdown, but it's interactive lobby system is something to be learned from)
Otherwise provide a link to allow them to join IRC so they can switch between applications to inform us for a game.
I met him today, and I agree that no one would like him.
But for the few players that we could've welcomed, we missed by simply not putting links to our community. Sitting on our butts or servicings newbies is not going to change. Only adapting Megaglest to the present would enlarge the community. Thus, inviting new players to our community chats would is a plausible idea. Simply ignoring newbies and continuing our insanity is not going to improve Megaglest.
And also, our potential playerbase is very large, since the game is rated highly in linux download managers. That means Linux users have a higher chance of noticing us. I'm sure many Linux users are intelligent and many have visited us. We just have to give an impression that we are worth it.
@I answered why noobs leave so fast above. tl:tr, it's because they are frustrated and have low expectations.
and trolls are trolls, they are hopeless Thus, we should give them something to work with.
Is posting links next to important links aka downloads a bad idea? From what I see, you're being too conservative.
Yeah especially interface doesn't attract those new players which don't read. We probably should remove every single word from everywhere and instead use some pictographs/pictograms or maybe smoke signals .
Sarcasm noted and disintegrated. New game interface that has AAA budget funding isn't something we should treat lightly.
Yes, since doing the same thing we've done for the past 5 years is
definitely going to provide a different result. Totally not! We should strive towards change rather than sit on our butts for Megaglest's ending. Move or Die. Though I'm the newest old player, I am the last newest old player in 3 years. That spells something and I'm sure other old players, including you, already knows it.
Do you e.g. see in the lobby nazi or racist messages or with text that they will be happy to rape you with their tools...? Do you know why don't you see such messages? Because such trolls don't exist? or maybe they were plenty (and sometimes there is a new one) and this is thx to the "people sitting in chat that appears to do nothing".?
Get Discord. It will save everyone hours. Half-jokingly aside, I don't see why we would have to follow your constructed scenario. And to emphasize,
we do look like people sitting in chat that appears to do nothing. No joke.
Hmm Everyone who really wants to play?
My personal record in the lobby without game was a bit more than two hours.
... and in spring lobby I tried to catch anyone once for like 12h without success because their crappy lobby and 1000000 versions of everything used all the time.
If I have some time to play and I see some guy waiting for ~10 minutes (as it is TWICE written in the lobby) instead leaving lobby in seconds then quite often I play with him at least once.
Tbh, Spring is a bad example, cause the fun part came after twenty minutes of lobby frustration in addition to the constant downloads and versions. Thus, I hate it too.
Sometimes there are people who stay ten minutes. I applaud them for that. Sometimes I am that person who stays twenty minutes in chat and ping people like you for twenty times and nothing happens on multiple days. Maybe it's cause the notification system isn't notifying enough. Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking us to be babysitters. It's better if we drag them to us and see what we are doing(a.k.a. the message history, active, idle, afk features in Discord helps) than to babysit.
1. If you are suggesting pinging then you should know who is this guy and does he understand e.g. why operators are sitting all the time in the channel so he can't think that he should/can ping everyone per 5 minutes 24/7 because "he can". There is a really good reason why you can't ping non MG_ people by buttons from the game.
... but if for you there are just "people sitting in chat that appears to do nothing" then you maybe shouldn't invite people to ping others.
I learned how to ping from the Warzone community IRC. When I came as a noob to Megaglest, no one was taught this except for the old players. I talked to a few Brazilians and they didn't know pinging even existed in the lobby. Yeah, it's sad to see old foreign players not know there was a ping system in place.
Add a try to ping notification and see what will happen. For instance, the ping notification text could read "Ping operators in chat for a game. If they don't respond in ten minutes, they are inactive". I'm sure this is better than giving newbies no chance to inform us. In fact, when newbies type in chat without pinging us, we don't know they are actually typing. It's important that we realize this and set up a system where we can be notified. We don't have to play with them, but we could sure use a system where they are more likely to catch our attention.
next, Discord
Does is there a way to moderate the history? Remove some messages? Ban trolls? If any answer says NO then Discord is a very stupid idea.
... besides this as it was mentioned to you at least twice we have active and configured mumble which is open sourced, is doing basically same job like Discord, works on MG server so full access to all features, is active all the time, is empty for most of the time because people don't really need it.
Yes, Yes, Yes, and Discord has other features that you can explore when you have free time. I could even voice chat on Discord with you when you have the time.
How come you're saying no to everything? Is trying really that hard? Is sitting on our butts really that worthwhile? You may argue that I do nothing but play and talk, but I don't see a positive response to ideas that may improve the playerbase. You're sitting there like sitting duck, waiting to get to shot.